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longship

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7. This atheist is happy with the Convention so far.

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 06:55 AM

Sep 2012

I support the atheist protest.

But the speeches were a slice across the demographics of this country. Some said, "God bless America." But many did not.

Isn't that what the USA is about? I have no problem with that. It just isn't important to me, unless some idiot maligns somebody for not saying it.

I am uncomfortable with Bishop Dolan having anything to do with this affair. What were they thinking when they selected that fucking asshole.

About the swearing in. I think that it should never include the "so help me God". Clearly it is a violation of the Constitution. Not only does it diverge from the oath explicitly prescribed in the Constitution, but it also implies a religious test (a clear violation of Article VI), to say nothing of the fact that it is a clear violation of the First Amendment. If I were an elected president being sworn in by a Chief Justice who said, "so help me god" I would be furious, and rightly so.

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That's good... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #1

Maybe there shoukd be a protest at his Inauguration when he says "So help me God". rug Sep 2012 #2

According to the Constitution, "so help me god" is not in the oath of office... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #3

He said it. rug Sep 2012 #4

Many, though not all the Presidents said it. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #5

No it isn't, nor is a prohibition against saying it... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #6

Do you know if the FFRF or other organizations have ongoing legal challenges to those statutes? cbayer Sep 2012 #11

All of those laws and state Constitutional language MineralMan Sep 2012 #26

This atheist is happy with the Convention so far. longship Sep 2012 #7

I noticed the lack of "God bless america" after some of the speeches as well. cbayer Sep 2012 #12

Indeed, but I have no problem with those who did god bless me. longship Sep 2012 #14

The sneezing thing is funny. cbayer Sep 2012 #17

How does it imply a religous test? Leontius Sep 2012 #27

It's an implicit religious test. longship Sep 2012 #28

The Constitution deals with the government in this case not the people Leontius Sep 2012 #29

Damn it! When the Chief Justice prompts "So help me God", it isn't just the people! longship Sep 2012 #30

And your response or lack of response to that prompt has no impact on your ability Leontius Sep 2012 #31

It is only its sole effect!! longship Sep 2012 #32

Ah yes the old ultimate fall back position of choice these days Leontius Sep 2012 #33

I beg your pardon. That is decidedly not my fall back. longship Sep 2012 #34

I agree with each of your three positions completely and without Leontius Sep 2012 #35

Difficult to frame on the fly with a mere iPhone. longship Sep 2012 #36

I would still like you to explain what you mean Leontius Sep 2012 #37

Privilege, as in religion is privileged in the US longship Sep 2012 #38

Explain the privilege that believers enjoy that non believers don't in more concrete terms. Leontius Sep 2012 #39

This. longship Sep 2012 #40

What you claim may be true or it may be that men and women with the courage to Leontius Sep 2012 #41

Blame the minority for the discrimination. Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #42

Well, we could go on and on about this. longship Sep 2012 #43

So this is the problem, you can't allow any Leontius Sep 2012 #44

They are trying to bring an issue edhopper Sep 2012 #8

You assessment is correct. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2012 #9

Where did they say this? rug Sep 2012 #22

From the article edhopper Sep 2012 #23

I read that but I wouldn't go as far as what you said. rug Sep 2012 #24

No, I didn't hear edhopper Sep 2012 #25

No doubt they'll have hordes of liberal Xian allies dmallind Sep 2012 #10

I guess that will all depend on whether they are invited and welcomed or cbayer Sep 2012 #13

Really? Personally I would suggest supporting such things should be based on principle and reason dmallind Sep 2012 #15

Sorry, no one is going to go hang out and support a group who is going to spit on them. cbayer Sep 2012 #16

That advice goes both ways. Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #18

Advice... rexcat Sep 2012 #19

Support public statements/events to highlight separation of church & state. Any follow up? pinto Sep 2012 #20

I haven't seen any, not even on their facebook page. rug Sep 2012 #21