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SarahM32

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64. Why it's important that the book of Isaiah is not about Jesus
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:23 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)

For one thing, it would help reconcile Christians with Jews and Muslims, and help all three of the Abrahamic religions understand each other. And a first step toward that reconciliation could be knowing that the messianic prophecies in the books of Isaiah and other Jewish prophets is not about Jesus.

That would open the door to understanding how and why much of the doctrines and dogma in the “New Testament” of the Christian Bible (as we know it) are the stuff of legend and myth, despite the fact that the actual words of Jesus of Nazareth were basically the truth.

It would also open the door to understanding who today is telling the real truth that the world needs to hear, and why this message is so crucial to the survival of humanity and the planet.

The message is so important because in order for the humble, gentle, kind, peaceful and “meek” majority of people to inherit the earth and enjoy our birthright, an authentic, truly righteous Judgment is needed to correct the political and religious leaders of the world who have brought us to this terrible state of inequity, conflict, division, and tribulation.

Fortunately, since there is as much conflict over religion as there is about government, a divine intervention and judgment was prophesied by the prophets who foresaw and foretold it. But, it is not as many religious people expected — mainly because the fulfillment of real prophecies has nothing to do with magic, and there is nothing supernatural about it.

The messenger who fulfills prophecies does not claim divinity nor royalty. He does not try to play God or conquering hero, but is merely a fellow servant and Messenger of God, and only human. And by prophetic mandate, he is prohibited from exalting himself as an orator from behind and podium or pulpit.

Consequently, because he is not what people expected, or what they think they need, the messenger is rejected. So, while he and his message are rejected, he and most people in the world suffer many terrible things, the wealthiest few who hold all the wealth and power live luxuriously and palatially, believing that is the natural order of things — even believing that they are blessed by God, and that the poor masses deserve their lot.

That’s the way it is in America and most other places in the world where money rules, and consequently aristocracy, oligarchy and the various forms of monarchy continue to grow stronger, and the wealthiest few continue to rule and get even richer at the expense of everyone else.

Nevertheless, truth will prevail, and when the judgment is recognized and acted upon it will put an end to the rule of money. It will render Theocracy, Oligarchy, Aristocracy and Monarchy obsolete (including the presidential form of monarchy), and instead it will establish actual Liberty, Democracy, Justice, and Freedom of Religion for all Humanity.

Unlike the governments we have now, governments of the future will be of, by, and for the people. They will use the common wealth for the common good, promote the general welfare, and ensure domestic tranquility, pluralism and freedom of religions, equal rights and opportunities, and justice for all the people.

That is what the comprehensive message and judgment is all about, and it is designed not to condemn, but to educate; not to punish, but to correct; and not to destroy, but to save.

It says that the greatest refuge of a scoundrel is patriotism, and the greatest refuge of a hypocrite is religiosity. And the proud and militant who have claimed that their religion or nation or race or culture is superior to all others, or that their wealth entitles them to rule, are spiritually blind, and wrong.

However, even though the message reflects the truth, it is not perfect or written in stone, and it is tinged with the author’s personal opinions, as are the writings of all authors. No human being has ever been or ever will be God, and even God’s chosen servants are only human. At the core of the message, however, is the divinely inspired truth, which is deep in the heart and soul of all of us.

The messenger, the modern son of man, is only human and very aware that as he judges so he is judged. But who he has been and who he is has little to do with the message, and he was sent not to rule over you, but to provide true counsel and liberate and empower us all.
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Interesting. MineralMan Aug 2012 #1
As a seminary graduate I'd say: Ezlivin Aug 2012 #2
As a scholar help me out here please - Nazareth wasn't in the Bible? dballance Aug 2012 #3
I don't recall discussing that in seminary Ezlivin Aug 2012 #11
So the seminary does not cover the whole Bible in their classes? LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #16
No, not at all Ezlivin Aug 2012 #17
I wasn't referring to Nazareth or anything like that. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #18
We covered it all Ezlivin Aug 2012 #19
Thank you for the insight. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #20
I hope not Ezlivin Aug 2012 #24
Madelyn Murray O'Hare and Jim Morrison were seminary students alfredo Aug 2012 #26
Jesus being "from Nazareth" or being a "Nazarene" is mentioned 28 times in the NT. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #12
Thanks for the info. Which Bible Version? dballance Aug 2012 #14
Here are the numbers from KJV and NIV SarahM32 Aug 2012 #23
Most seminary graduates would not say no. They're taught the answer is yes. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #7
K&R - I want to hear from someone who knows the answers to the poster and the commenters. northoftheborder Aug 2012 #4
You're asking for a bit too much. An area of a great deal of disagreement. dimbear Aug 2012 #28
The three Isaiah and Jesus Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #5
Yes, many scholars say the book of Isaiah had three authors. But ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #10
3 authors from 3 completely diferent periods of Judean History intaglio Aug 2012 #22
The translated quote from Isaiah that you include has a lot of the same cbayer Aug 2012 #6
Handel uses several exclusively Old Testament texts--and this is one. nt Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #8
Handel used Isaiah's words. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #9
Interesting website. Linguistically, historically I'm interested in the course of bible translations pinto Aug 2012 #13
Background and purpose of the site. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #15
One big problem intaglio Aug 2012 #21
It's not really a problem. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #25
The site you so proudly promote intaglio Aug 2012 #27
Not so. In fact, the site refutes the theology of Christian Apologetics. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #29
Being Jeffersonian does not mean that you abandon apologetics intaglio Aug 2012 #30
Intaglio, I disagree. And here's why: SarahM32 Aug 2012 #32
I said he was an apologist. Many faiths have apologists intaglio Aug 2012 #35
No. Jefferson was not an Apologist. And furthermore ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #36
Well I can forgive you for misreading my sentence about Jefferson intaglio Aug 2012 #38
Well, since you put it that way ... I will say this: SarahM32 Sep 2012 #48
There are literary apologists intaglio Sep 2012 #49
Oh brother. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #50
You have stopped listening intaglio Sep 2012 #51
'Tis the other way around. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #54
You continue in your false description of apologetics intaglio Sep 2012 #55
Please. Let's be accurate. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #57
Again, apologetics is not just Christian, Isa is not the word you used intaglio Sep 2012 #59
Again, that's not relevant and avoids the issue. And ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #60
I repeat only to be ignored by you again intaglio Sep 2012 #61
Okay, for the last time ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #62
You distort and ignore, you are trapped in a web of deceit intaglio Sep 2012 #63
The relationship between Old Testament materials Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #31
Well, I wouldn't say that. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #33
Again you are speaking of "The Book of Isaiah" as if it is a singular production intaglio Aug 2012 #34
No, I am not. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #37
A fiat that you are right and others are wrong intaglio Aug 2012 #39
I think both of you have made some serious points. Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #41
Thanks. And ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #43
Why it's more than mere hope. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #65
It has nothing to do with "profession" or money. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #66
There's an introduction to the 1611 King James Bible by its translators indicating Petrushka Aug 2012 #40
However, Strong in particular, Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #42
Yes. Thank you again. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #45
Petrushka, that's just more Apologetics, and ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #44
Thanks for the link. Just discovered what the "messenger for the Spirit of truth" believes . . . Petrushka Aug 2012 #46
That story was published in February 2002. There's a more recent one online. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #47
FWIW: The writer of those articles, refers to himself in the thrid person, saying . . . Petrushka Sep 2012 #52
Ah, but you miss some very crucial facts. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #53
"...when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth." ?? Petrushka Sep 2012 #56
So, in other words, you will not address the facts, and simply ignore the truth? SarahM32 Sep 2012 #58
Why it's important that the book of Isaiah is not about Jesus SarahM32 Sep 2012 #64
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