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In reply to the discussion: Does the book of Isaiah say anything about Jesus of Nazareth? [View all]SarahM32
(270 posts)65. Why it's more than mere hope.
As I said in my Reply # 42, Isaiah and Jesus were making specific prophecies about a specific event.
The problem is that the theology of Christian Apologetics has caused Christians to misunderstand and misinterpret Isaiah.
Here is a relevant quoted excerpt from an article titled Prophecies Re: He Who Fulfills Them:
"The full truth has not been understood because there are certain symbolic phrases in the Judaic scriptures that some of the original Christians focused upon those that speak of the coming of a son of man who 'will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.' (Isaiah 9:6) But, that is not what the original Hebrew scripture says. And while the work of the modern son of man does indeed bring peace, he, like Jesus, serves the eternal God.
As the article on Isaiah Chapter 53 explains, the original text of Isaiah 9:6 does not contradict itself by saying the son of man is Counselor and Prince of Peace as well as 'God the Everlasting Father.' Rather, it uses words applicable to a son of man whose counsel enables people to get the message of divine intent.
That literal reality is clarified in many other instances in the book of Isaiah (including Isaiah 40:18, 40:25, 42:1-2, 42:8, and 46:5) which state that God is not a person, and that the person who fulfills prophecy is not God but a son of man and a 'servant who God has chosen.'
For example, it is clarified by Isaiah 42:1-4: 'Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him, he shall make the right to go forth to the nations. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the dimly burning wick shall he not quench. He shall make the right to go forth according to the truth. He shall not fail nor be crushed, till he have set the right in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his teaching.'
Many Christians believe that too speaks of Jesus because Matthew 12:19 claims it does. But it clearly does not. That is one of many blatant errors in the Christian gospels. It speaks of the modern son of man, because Jesus did rise up as a teacher-orator. He did cry out to make his voice heard on many occasions, and he certainly did cause his voice to be heard in the street."
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Jesus being "from Nazareth" or being a "Nazarene" is mentioned 28 times in the NT.
SarahM32
Aug 2012
#12
K&R - I want to hear from someone who knows the answers to the poster and the commenters.
northoftheborder
Aug 2012
#4
Handel uses several exclusively Old Testament texts--and this is one. nt
Thats my opinion
Aug 2012
#8
Interesting website. Linguistically, historically I'm interested in the course of bible translations
pinto
Aug 2012
#13
Again you are speaking of "The Book of Isaiah" as if it is a singular production
intaglio
Aug 2012
#34
There's an introduction to the 1611 King James Bible by its translators indicating
Petrushka
Aug 2012
#40
Thanks for the link. Just discovered what the "messenger for the Spirit of truth" believes . . .
Petrushka
Aug 2012
#46
FWIW: The writer of those articles, refers to himself in the thrid person, saying . . .
Petrushka
Sep 2012
#52
"...when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth." ??
Petrushka
Sep 2012
#56
So, in other words, you will not address the facts, and simply ignore the truth?
SarahM32
Sep 2012
#58