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exboyfil

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3. My daughter's English teacher
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:02 AM
Sep 2012

is having her study the formation of the Christian Bible, the formation of another text sacred to a culture, and great Western thinkers. I have been reading some of her papers on Mormonism, and I am struck as to how its growth counters one of the biggest arguments in favor of Christianity (it must be true because so many in the early church died professing it and the church grew even through the persecution).

Reading through the supporting papers generated by the church, I get the same feeling I get when I read fundamentalist literature arguing against evolution. Facts must always be interpreted to support their worldview.

The thing I am trying to do is to view this information with an open mind so that I can try to gain an understanding of Joseph Smith and his followers. I know very little about the Mormon church other than what has been presented to me through the filter of my church. That is wrong. I also think learning about the various faiths from Richard Dawkins is also wrong for example. I wonder if you can conclude about Mormonism, Christianity, and Islam is that it is (in the immortal words of Douglas Adams) "Mostly Harmless" when faith is separated from the power of the state. On the other hand when power driven by faith is exercised through the state or other secular power we have (with apologies to Tom Clancy) "A Clear and Present Danger".

I am convinced most faiths run around in a free society seeking to be outraged (ie persecuted). It is not enough for a school child to bring her Bible to school and have Bible study with her friends - the state must force religious study of the majority faith on all students in a public school.

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10 suckers and it's shame thelordofhell Sep 2012 #1
yep... You are correct... Yooperman Sep 2012 #2
My daughter's English teacher exboyfil Sep 2012 #3
What perplexes me the most is how we can stand back and agree that Mormonism (for one) is BS NightWatcher Sep 2012 #4
I love this post :) Fix The Stupid Sep 2012 #5
You win the thread. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #6
If one assumes that all the stories of a given religion are "non reality based" cbayer Sep 2012 #7
Well, reality-based means a specific thing RainDog Sep 2012 #8
Again, if you start from the assumption that all historic religious references and stories cbayer Sep 2012 #9
I didn't say "all" - I said the texts are obviously full of errors RainDog Sep 2012 #10
Agree that the texts are contradictory and, therefore, can not all be true. cbayer Sep 2012 #11
"Most people do not read them literally or think they were actually written by a god" - Really? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #13
Yes. This "gradation" of belief is how people say "I'm not like that" RainDog Sep 2012 #32
if they were not written by god, then why do they have any more validity than any other text? RainDog Sep 2012 #17
A recent post here highlighted a poll which showed that most people who consider themselves cbayer Sep 2012 #19
That's true, people will make their own decisions RainDog Sep 2012 #21
Are you really comparing all the flavors of different religious groups with the KKK? cbayer Sep 2012 #24
I was talking about your attempt to say "it's personal" RainDog Sep 2012 #26
You appear to be an anti-theist. Am I correct about that? cbayer Sep 2012 #30
My OP was about religion in general RainDog Sep 2012 #31
Denial of what? cbayer Sep 2012 #33
Thanks for this reply RainDog Sep 2012 #35
I think we probably agree to a large extent as well. cbayer Sep 2012 #36
I would really like people's answer to my questions RainDog Sep 2012 #34
It's also a reality-based fact okasha Sep 2012 #12
Those changes are happening due to societal pressure and the inability to defend those beliefs cleanhippie Sep 2012 #14
That's true, basically they are caving in to secular ethics and morality... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #15
Those changes come about because people's reality shows them their belief group is wrong RainDog Sep 2012 #23
In a nutshell, Joseph Smith was a conman. He was caught flatfooted in fakery and deceit. dimbear Sep 2012 #16
I don't see any difference between Mormonism and other belief systems RainDog Sep 2012 #18
Many fundamentalist christians aren't seeing the difference either cbayer Sep 2012 #20
Fundamenalists are part of the same group RainDog Sep 2012 #22
You are doing too much lumping and no splitting. cbayer Sep 2012 #25
How do you want to split it? RainDog Sep 2012 #27
You have already made up your mind here. cbayer Sep 2012 #28
LOL RainDog Sep 2012 #29
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