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RainDog

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27. How do you want to split it?
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 04:54 PM
Sep 2012

You're saying that, because, 50 years ago, people with no power outside of a particular social institution used that institution politically - then it's now okay for some of those same religions to pretend that creationism is valid? Sorry, but that doesn't work for me because a belief in creationism HURTS the people who are taught that belief and impacts their lives in negative ways - because it is the equivalent of cult-think. It must dismiss every bit of science over the last 100-plus years - that's harmful for people's educational advancement and their standing in society - b/c such a belief is a signifier for someone who has not critically examined evidence. The question then becomes... do creationist believers lack the capacity to understand the data or do they lack the capacity to question the status quo? Are either of those questions good ones for employers to ask? The only way such teaching doesn't impact someone's professional life is if that person segregates him or herself within a community that reinforces the belief.

Why are there "liberal/progressive" arms of institutions when the institution itself, again, at the level where power is exercised to control dogma, etc... why do those who know the dogma is bullshit continue to associate with the group?

Why not form a separate group with dogma that reflects their values? Why belong to a fundamentalist church if they teach lies about the very nature of reality (i.e. science?)

What value does such an institution have other than a social club?

10 suckers and it's shame thelordofhell Sep 2012 #1
yep... You are correct... Yooperman Sep 2012 #2
My daughter's English teacher exboyfil Sep 2012 #3
What perplexes me the most is how we can stand back and agree that Mormonism (for one) is BS NightWatcher Sep 2012 #4
I love this post :) Fix The Stupid Sep 2012 #5
You win the thread. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #6
If one assumes that all the stories of a given religion are "non reality based" cbayer Sep 2012 #7
Well, reality-based means a specific thing RainDog Sep 2012 #8
Again, if you start from the assumption that all historic religious references and stories cbayer Sep 2012 #9
I didn't say "all" - I said the texts are obviously full of errors RainDog Sep 2012 #10
Agree that the texts are contradictory and, therefore, can not all be true. cbayer Sep 2012 #11
"Most people do not read them literally or think they were actually written by a god" - Really? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #13
Yes. This "gradation" of belief is how people say "I'm not like that" RainDog Sep 2012 #32
if they were not written by god, then why do they have any more validity than any other text? RainDog Sep 2012 #17
A recent post here highlighted a poll which showed that most people who consider themselves cbayer Sep 2012 #19
That's true, people will make their own decisions RainDog Sep 2012 #21
Are you really comparing all the flavors of different religious groups with the KKK? cbayer Sep 2012 #24
I was talking about your attempt to say "it's personal" RainDog Sep 2012 #26
You appear to be an anti-theist. Am I correct about that? cbayer Sep 2012 #30
My OP was about religion in general RainDog Sep 2012 #31
Denial of what? cbayer Sep 2012 #33
Thanks for this reply RainDog Sep 2012 #35
I think we probably agree to a large extent as well. cbayer Sep 2012 #36
I would really like people's answer to my questions RainDog Sep 2012 #34
It's also a reality-based fact okasha Sep 2012 #12
Those changes are happening due to societal pressure and the inability to defend those beliefs cleanhippie Sep 2012 #14
That's true, basically they are caving in to secular ethics and morality... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #15
Those changes come about because people's reality shows them their belief group is wrong RainDog Sep 2012 #23
In a nutshell, Joseph Smith was a conman. He was caught flatfooted in fakery and deceit. dimbear Sep 2012 #16
I don't see any difference between Mormonism and other belief systems RainDog Sep 2012 #18
Many fundamentalist christians aren't seeing the difference either cbayer Sep 2012 #20
Fundamenalists are part of the same group RainDog Sep 2012 #22
You are doing too much lumping and no splitting. cbayer Sep 2012 #25
How do you want to split it? RainDog Sep 2012 #27
You have already made up your mind here. cbayer Sep 2012 #28
LOL RainDog Sep 2012 #29
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