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cbayer

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24. Well, that's what makes it so different than science, right?

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 06:33 PM

Sep 2012

The have something called faith. I guess the reasons why are as numerous as the people who have it. Anyone I have talked to about their beliefs and faiths has revealed very personalized versions of why they believe.

Can you offer one shred of evidence to support what you say in your second paragraph? While science has explained much that may have been attributed to a god or gods in the past, every door opened has only led to more questions. There is no evidence mounting to up to either prove or disprove a god or gods.

What I don't understand is the need for either believers or non-believers to convince anyone that they are right and the other side is wrong. Not only wrong, but bad, crazy, damned.... whatever. That's ridiculous fundamentalism, whichever side it comes from, and I would posit it is also a strong indication that the person dong it is quite insecure about what they believe or don't believe.

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It's 2012, And People Are Still Being Killed Over Make Believe (Religion) Being Treated As Fact [View all] stopbush Sep 2012 OP

I totally agree Politicalboi Sep 2012 #1

I'll second that. If they only knew how many of us really don't give a shit about their brewens Sep 2012 #2

Is that the final word on religion? cbayer Sep 2012 #3

it's impossible to reason with people who live in a make believe universe.... mike_c Sep 2012 #4

I suppose it would be, but what is make believe to you is held to be true by cbayer Sep 2012 #7

Ask that again skepticscott Sep 2012 #42

No, it's impossible to reason with people with closed minds and an agenda. whathehell Sep 2012 #28

I'll get right on that after you disprove the existence of fairies and werewolves. stopbush Sep 2012 #5

I make no such claims and wouldn't be bothered to do so. cbayer Sep 2012 #6

Correct....It's deliberate provocation, something that used to be known as "flame bait" whathehell Sep 2012 #29

And it's your opinion skepticscott Sep 2012 #43

Actually, one can Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #70

Facts are meaningless when one has "other ways of knowing." cleanhippie Sep 2012 #71

No, it is not Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #74

You keep using the word "demonstrably" skepticscott Sep 2012 #78

What claims are not false? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #85

Wrong and wrong skepticscott Sep 2012 #77

Fairies and Werewolves are real Tyrs WolfDaemon Jun 2013 #121

Not really possible to prove a negative sharp_stick Sep 2012 #9

And stating a negative as fact makes me chuckle. cbayer Sep 2012 #10

It's not possible to "prove" a positive, either skepticscott Sep 2012 #93

a)Nobel prize in what? b)If you can't disprove Scientology - and you can't - does that make it real? dmallind Sep 2012 #13

In science of some sort, as that would be a landmark breakthrough. cbayer Sep 2012 #14

I'd make a bet that if EvilAL Sep 2012 #18

How could you possibly disprove god using science? cbayer Sep 2012 #21

Then why do people believe it EvilAL Sep 2012 #22

Well, that's what makes it so different than science, right? cbayer Sep 2012 #24

Well EvilAL Sep 2012 #32

'Faith' is a fancy word for believing without evidence cpwm17 Sep 2012 #62

That is correct - that is what faith is. cbayer Sep 2012 #68

Since 'faith based' beliefs have no evidence, they can be discarded outright. cpwm17 Sep 2012 #83

I believe that I love my husband and have faith that he loves me back and will continue to do so. cbayer Sep 2012 #84

Not even remotely the same thing, and you know it. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #87

Wow! - did you read what I wrote? cpwm17 Sep 2012 #88

My apologies if I misunderstood you. cbayer Sep 2012 #89

Sheesh, you just never stop with this claptrap, do you? skepticscott Sep 2012 #34

Quite easily. trotsky Sep 2012 #58

I haven't ever heard anyone claim that they 'know' a god doesn't exist cpwm17 Sep 2012 #64

Why yes... gcomeau Jul 2013 #128

Who is this "we" you refer to. cbayer Jul 2013 #129

People who comprehend what an unfalsifiable hypothesis is... gcomeau Jul 2013 #130

Oh, people just like you. cbayer Jul 2013 #131

People like me who understand this concept? gcomeau Jul 2013 #133

Look up the concept of an unfalsifiable hypothesis. gcomeau Jul 2013 #127

Do you actually think the core of these attacks is religion? rug Sep 2012 #8

I'm of the opinion VWolf Sep 2012 #12

Right, we should leave the "simplistic tripe" to you. mr blur Sep 2012 #17

Speaking of simplistic tripe . . . rug Sep 2012 #25

I take the word of the mobs in the street who are shouting that their prophet/god has been offended stopbush Sep 2012 #20

Which mobs? The ones organized by political extremists? rug Sep 2012 #26

How facile skepticscott Sep 2012 #37

How stupid. rug Sep 2012 #39

Wow you win the skepticscott Sep 2012 #40

How extremely stupid. rug Sep 2012 #44

a new religion - let's all riot because some strangers 8000 miles away made a crappy video nt msongs Sep 2012 #11

It certainly doesn't take religion to cause the murders of large numbers of people as humblebum Sep 2012 #15

No, but it's a nice, pat answer for those unable to handle complexity whathehell Sep 2012 #33

The elephant in the room is ignorance and intolerance, not what people believe or disbelieve. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #16

In precolumbian Mexico, the Aztec priests sacrificed at least 20,000 people per annum. dimbear Sep 2012 #23

It was cheaper than a standing army to maintain political power. rug Sep 2012 #27

Ha! whathehell Sep 2012 #36

Given the population okasha May 2013 #113

Still waiting for some corroboration of your figures. okasha Jul 2013 #145

Wackypedia article seems pretty good here: dimbear Jul 2013 #151

The elephant in the room skepticscott Sep 2012 #30

Yeah, but the real "elephant in the room" is pointing out that whathehell Sep 2012 #41

Quiet, it very useful to some to conflate LARED Sep 2012 #66

+ 100..n/t whathehell Sep 2012 #94

If you see someone doing that skepticscott Sep 2012 #95

This gets pretty close LARED Sep 2012 #98

As I said skepticscott Sep 2012 #100

Instead of attacking me why not just admit your LARED Sep 2012 #105

To twist words as you have done is indeed "beyond despicable." nt humblebum Sep 2012 #63

Except that I haven't twisted words. Your post is just another of your lame, idiotic lies. skepticscott Sep 2012 #65

Clearly you are overcompensating for your screw-up. humblebum Sep 2012 #82

No. It is ignorant people being prodded into a mob mentality by rogue leaders. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #69

Perhaps I have missed it, but no one, no one here has said that personal beliefs cleanhippie Sep 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author skepticscott Sep 2012 #31

+1000 n/t whathehell Sep 2012 #46

It boils down to EvilAL Sep 2012 #19

It's 2012 and rude, intolerant atheists are still using empty generalities to insult non-atheists. whathehell Sep 2012 #35

And rude, intolerant religionists skepticscott Sep 2012 #38

Yes, there's lots of rude intolerant religionists and rude, intolerant non-religionists whathehell Sep 2012 #45

Whatever it is, it's not one against being rude and intolerant. rug Sep 2012 #47

Say what? whathehell Sep 2012 #51

Sorry. rug Sep 2012 #52

I got you whathehell Sep 2012 #53

I wish I had a book EvilAL Sep 2012 #48

Read The Fountainhead. rug Sep 2012 #49

Maybe if I have the time, EvilAL Sep 2012 #54

Do you have any idea how many have been killed over political ideology? whathehell Sep 2012 #92

The Fountainhead? Ayn Rand? Let's think about that. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #86

Yeah, me too. The only problem is whathehell Sep 2012 #50

It's all based off the same god EvilAL Sep 2012 #55

No, not really. whathehell Sep 2012 #56

You're right they don't justify it EvilAL Sep 2012 #57

Christians raped and slaughtered Muslims in Bosnia Marrah_G Sep 2012 #73

Yes, and No. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #81

That is a no true Scotsman argument. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #125

No shit...There is a long history of people of every religion and no religion killing for ideology, whathehell Sep 2012 #91

The point is that skepticscott Sep 2012 #67

Well, at least you didn't kill anybody over it. [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2012 #76

Compare and contrast gcomeau Jul 2013 #134

"Yeah, good comeback. You sure put atheists in their place"...Yes, it seems so. whathehell Jul 2013 #136

Yeah... I wasn't in this thread a year ago. gcomeau Jul 2013 #138

Maybe you should have been. whathehell Jul 2013 #139

Oh I don't know... gcomeau Jul 2013 #143

Keep trying.. whathehell Jul 2013 #144

Why? gcomeau Jul 2013 #146

"The first attempt seems to have gotten the job done" whathehell Jul 2013 #147

Then you had a response to it? gcomeau Jul 2013 #148

Sorry, but I didn't find your "response" to my year old post substantive enough whathehell Jul 2013 #149

So in other words... no, you didn't have one. gcomeau Jul 2013 #150

No, in other words I don't need one. whathehell Jul 2013 #152

Uh huh... the ancestral battle cry of the Runaway Clan. gcomeau Jul 2013 #153

Uh, no. whathehell Jul 2013 #154

Like I said... gcomeau Jul 2013 #155

And Ricky Gervais nails it... onager Sep 2012 #59

You must try harder. rug Sep 2012 #60

You shouldn't quote Hitchens' condemnation of religious violence cpwm17 Sep 2012 #61

If love, truth, beauty, purpose. compassion, hope, goodness are only make-believe Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #75

They are not make believe. They are the most valuable reality. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #80

I wish you could have said that to Hitchens' face. onager Sep 2012 #90

You should know better skepticscott Sep 2012 #97

I like all those Hitchens quotes, and I see both sides. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #103

No. People are being killed because hatemongering Theocrats distort their religion to gain power. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #79

So who exactly decides skepticscott Sep 2012 #96

Since you asked ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #99

All you've offered skepticscott Sep 2012 #102

Yes Sir. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #106

based on beliefs . . . just like atheism DrDan Sep 2012 #101

Guns don't kill people... rogrot Sep 2012 #104

How's that North Korean thing working out for you? Anthony McCarthy Sep 2012 #107

I couldn't agree with you more on your first paragraph. cpwm17 Sep 2012 #108

I had not heard what you state in your last paragraph before, but would love to cbayer Sep 2012 #109

Yeah Right MyJesusRox19 May 2013 #110

Welcome to DU and welcome to the religion room. hrmjustin May 2013 #111

Nice MyJesusRox19 Jun 2013 #116

Enjoy the religion room! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #117

AMEN!! MyJesusRox19 Jun 2013 #119

I am a Christian and I believe in the Big Bang. The ideathe Earth is 6000 years old is hrmjustin May 2013 #112

Sorry to burst your bubble LostOne4Ever May 2013 #114

Proof MyJesusRox19 Jun 2013 #118

Can you post some verification LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #120

Answer MyJesusRox19 Jul 2013 #122

;Hey look, another "your beliefs are stupid" thread! demwing May 2013 #115

+100 n/t whathehell Jul 2013 #141

It's still happening in 2013. Apophis Jul 2013 #123

people will dislike refrescanos Jul 2013 #124

Exactly, Thank you. whathehell Jul 2013 #142

So how is it better to post not one single fact and accuse Religious people of stupidity? Tigress DEM Jul 2013 #126

It was flame bait from the get go and quite effective flame bait at that. cbayer Jul 2013 #132

+10 n/t whathehell Jul 2013 #140

Thank you. whathehell Jul 2013 #137

It's 2013, okasha Jul 2013 #135