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In reply to the discussion: It's 2012, And People Are Still Being Killed Over Make Believe (Religion) Being Treated As Fact [View all]cpwm17
(3,829 posts)61. You shouldn't quote Hitchens' condemnation of religious violence
Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:47 AM - Edit history (1)
Hitchens was an outspoken warmonger who was motivated by religious hatred. He promoted the Iraq War heavily (the world's worst crime this century), and to his dying day he stuck with the WMD BS.
Religion is obvious nonsense, and it can contribute to hatreds that sometimes lead to violence. But the US - arguably the world's leading warmongering nation - is motivated by greed, selfishness, and bigotry. Religious bigots do contribute to this warmongering, but it isn't the leading cause.
Here's Hitchens' talk at the Freedom From Religion Convention in 2007 as described by PZ Myers:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/10/14/ffrf-recap/
He (Hitchens) was asked to consider the possibility that bombing and killing was only going to accomplish an increase in the number of people opposing us. Hitchens accused the questioner of being incredibly stupid (the question was not well-phrased, Ill agree, but it was clear what he meant), and said that it was obvious that every Moslem you kill means there is one less Moslem to fight you which is only true if you assume that every Moslem already wants to kill Americans and is armed and willing to do so. I think that what is obvious is that most Moslems are primarily interested in living a life of contentment with their families and their work, and that an America committed to slaughter is a tactic that will only convince more of them to join in opposition to us.
Basically, what Hitchens was proposing is genocide. Or, at least, wholesale execution of the population of the Moslem world until they are sufficiently cowed and frightened and depleted that they are unable to resist us in any way, ever again.
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It's 2012, And People Are Still Being Killed Over Make Believe (Religion) Being Treated As Fact [View all]
stopbush
Sep 2012
OP
I'll second that. If they only knew how many of us really don't give a shit about their
brewens
Sep 2012
#2
I'll get right on that after you disprove the existence of fairies and werewolves.
stopbush
Sep 2012
#5
Correct....It's deliberate provocation, something that used to be known as "flame bait"
whathehell
Sep 2012
#29
a)Nobel prize in what? b)If you can't disprove Scientology - and you can't - does that make it real?
dmallind
Sep 2012
#13
I believe that I love my husband and have faith that he loves me back and will continue to do so.
cbayer
Sep 2012
#84
I take the word of the mobs in the street who are shouting that their prophet/god has been offended
stopbush
Sep 2012
#20
a new religion - let's all riot because some strangers 8000 miles away made a crappy video nt
msongs
Sep 2012
#11
It certainly doesn't take religion to cause the murders of large numbers of people as
humblebum
Sep 2012
#15
The elephant in the room is ignorance and intolerance, not what people believe or disbelieve.
Starboard Tack
Sep 2012
#16
In precolumbian Mexico, the Aztec priests sacrificed at least 20,000 people per annum.
dimbear
Sep 2012
#23
Except that I haven't twisted words. Your post is just another of your lame, idiotic lies.
skepticscott
Sep 2012
#65
No. It is ignorant people being prodded into a mob mentality by rogue leaders.
Starboard Tack
Sep 2012
#69
Perhaps I have missed it, but no one, no one here has said that personal beliefs
cleanhippie
Sep 2012
#72
It's 2012 and rude, intolerant atheists are still using empty generalities to insult non-atheists.
whathehell
Sep 2012
#35
Yes, there's lots of rude intolerant religionists and rude, intolerant non-religionists
whathehell
Sep 2012
#45
No shit...There is a long history of people of every religion and no religion killing for ideology,
whathehell
Sep 2012
#91
"Yeah, good comeback. You sure put atheists in their place"...Yes, it seems so.
whathehell
Jul 2013
#136
Sorry, but I didn't find your "response" to my year old post substantive enough
whathehell
Jul 2013
#149
If love, truth, beauty, purpose. compassion, hope, goodness are only make-believe
Thats my opinion
Sep 2012
#75
No. People are being killed because hatemongering Theocrats distort their religion to gain power.
SarahM32
Sep 2012
#79
I had not heard what you state in your last paragraph before, but would love to
cbayer
Sep 2012
#109
I am a Christian and I believe in the Big Bang. The ideathe Earth is 6000 years old is
hrmjustin
May 2013
#112
So how is it better to post not one single fact and accuse Religious people of stupidity?
Tigress DEM
Jul 2013
#126