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rexcat

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40. The reason religious symbols are an issue now...

Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:57 PM

Sep 2012

is most people back in the day would have never crossed the religious tyranny in the US. Now people realize that religious freedom included freedom from religion as our founders had expressed.

I say take down all religious symbols on public land with the exception of the native Americans. I believe that is a special situation because of the genocidal policy of the United States in the 1700s and 1800s with the support of the religious in this country. Also get the "In god We Trust" off our currency.

It seems you do not believe in separation of church and state therefore your hypocrisy is far more damaging then Goblinmonger's or mine. Your lack of respect for the US Constitution is appalling.

We are all "squatters' on native American land to some extent or another. At this point it is a little late in the game to do much about it. Your argument is weak.

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Cross-shaped WWI monument causes atheist uproar [View all] rug Sep 2012 OP

Being an atheist myself Lebam in LA Sep 2012 #1

+1000 My sentiments exactly. Talk about priorities. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #25

Right elleng Sep 2012 #51

Radical atheist groups are definitely not helping their "cause" by humblebum Sep 2012 #2

To call AHA... rexcat Sep 2012 #10

As if they are the only group engaged in such actions? They are not. humblebum Sep 2012 #11

"indicates you don't know what you are talking about" - Yep, pretty much sums it up, rexcat. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #14

The words "Atheist Uproar" in the headline pretty much tell all. humblebum Sep 2012 #18

The headline is hyperbole... rexcat Sep 2012 #21

... rexcat Sep 2012 #24

But won't we get plaques, pestilence and famine JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #3

The cross is not a religious symbol pokerfan Sep 2012 #6

Jeez. Just take it down - not worth the fight, but cbayer Sep 2012 #4

If the Veterans' monument has stood for that long, yes, it is worth the fight. nt humblebum Sep 2012 #5

Sounds like the argument for slavery Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #9

Any comparison of this to slavery is absurd. But it is worth a fight. nt humblebum Sep 2012 #12

Both used an appeal to tradition. n/t Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #16

One did great harm. The other harmed no one. One dishonored an entire race of human beings. humblebum Sep 2012 #17

One could say that religion dishonors the human race... rexcat Sep 2012 #22

And one would be a bigot to say it. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #31

Stalking now... rexcat Sep 2012 #32

I'm not stalking you. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #46

It was not a bigoted statement... rexcat Sep 2012 #48

I apologize Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author rexcat Sep 2012 #73

Suppression of expression dishonors the human race. I seem to recall the Taliban humblebum Sep 2012 #33

Wow, you are all over the board Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #34

I love the way you rationalize. LOL humblebum Sep 2012 #35

"rationalize"? Nice argument, Hector Projector. Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #38

I would say that you are the one grasping at straws here. humblebum Sep 2012 #39

Do you have a link Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #49

Here it is. humblebum Sep 2012 #53

Yeah, the site removed it, but there are others. rug Sep 2012 #56

"only concerned with those memorials that deal with Christian soldiers" - So humblebum Sep 2012 #59

How tasty was your heaping helping of privilege for lunch? Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #60

Tell me. Who is stopping other groups from putting up memorials? humblebum Sep 2012 #61

Please give me one SCOTUS ruling that puts that forth as a condition. Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #62

As has already been pointed out. That standard has changed over the years and the biggest fights humblebum Sep 2012 #63

So there is no SCOTUS ruling ever in the past that Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #64

Jefferson and Madison were not the U. S. government, nor were their positions on religion humblebum Sep 2012 #65

Well, they were both Presidents Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #67

The reason religious symbols are an issue now... rexcat Sep 2012 #40

If "freedom from religion as our founders had expressed" is an absolute separation as you suggest humblebum Sep 2012 #41

Chaplins should not be a part of the US Congress... rexcat Sep 2012 #42

You are using straw man tactics now. The fact remains humblebum Sep 2012 #43

No straw man tactics that I am aware of... rexcat Sep 2012 #44

Do I favor chaplains in Congress? Yes. But your humblebum Sep 2012 #45

Actually, there is Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #47

A limited separation most certainly exists. However, if any absolute separation existed humblebum Sep 2012 #66

YOU are the one that brought up Conressional Chaplains, so how can he be using as a straw man? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #50

And that has what to do with Sen. Inhofe or my opinion of him? Nothing. humblebum Sep 2012 #52

Like I said... rexcat Sep 2012 #36

That depends on your point of view. nt humblebum Sep 2012 #37

The Desperate Search continues. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2012 #7

It's quite easy. rug Sep 2012 #8

If it is on public land then... rexcat Sep 2012 #23

"Cross shaped"? WTF? And no pic? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #13

+ rug Sep 2012 #15

It has been there for over 80 years Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #19

If they take it down moobu2 Sep 2012 #20

Why can't people learn tolerance for different beliefs? The world would be a better place. Don't appleannie1 Sep 2012 #26

The point is that it is on public ground Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #29

Easy solution. Sell the land the cross is on to a church for $1.00 and let them maintain it. Glorfindel Sep 2012 #27

Then they would have to sell the same amount of land to every other religion moobu2 Sep 2012 #28

So, they sell 1 foot by 1 foot plots in the square for $1 apiece to any organization that wants it. cbayer Sep 2012 #30

"There are no athiests in foxholes, or during 9/11" HockeyMom Sep 2012 #54

Don't bet on either... rexcat Sep 2012 #69

No atheists in foxholes, eh...? onager Sep 2012 #70

Exactly why and when the state acquired the property the monument is on is Leontius Sep 2012 #55

See this. rug Sep 2012 #57

This is the most I can find cbayer Sep 2012 #58

Looks like it was built on private land originally. rug Sep 2012 #71

... The Snyder-Farmer Post of the American Legion of Hyattsville erected the forty foot cross struggle4progress Sep 2012 #68