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In reply to the discussion: Cross-shaped WWI monument causes atheist uproar [View all]Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,477 posts)47. Actually, there is
And while was not explicitly in the Constitution, the Constitution has repeatedly been interpreted by the Supreme Court as saying it. See, for example, Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878) which says in part
Mr. Jefferson afterwards, in reply to an address to him by a committee of the Danbury Baptist Association (8 id. 113), took occasion to say: 'Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions,-I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore man to all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.' Coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured. Congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere opinion, but was left free to reach actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order.
Another case is Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947) which says things such as
Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'
and
The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach.
No, the opinion that there is no absolute separation of church and state in the US is a serious misreading of Constitutional law.
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"indicates you don't know what you are talking about" - Yep, pretty much sums it up, rexcat.
cleanhippie
Sep 2012
#14
If the Veterans' monument has stood for that long, yes, it is worth the fight. nt
humblebum
Sep 2012
#5
One did great harm. The other harmed no one. One dishonored an entire race of human beings.
humblebum
Sep 2012
#17
Suppression of expression dishonors the human race. I seem to recall the Taliban
humblebum
Sep 2012
#33
As has already been pointed out. That standard has changed over the years and the biggest fights
humblebum
Sep 2012
#63
Jefferson and Madison were not the U. S. government, nor were their positions on religion
humblebum
Sep 2012
#65
If "freedom from religion as our founders had expressed" is an absolute separation as you suggest
humblebum
Sep 2012
#41
A limited separation most certainly exists. However, if any absolute separation existed
humblebum
Sep 2012
#66
YOU are the one that brought up Conressional Chaplains, so how can he be using as a straw man?
cleanhippie
Sep 2012
#50
Why can't people learn tolerance for different beliefs? The world would be a better place. Don't
appleannie1
Sep 2012
#26
Easy solution. Sell the land the cross is on to a church for $1.00 and let them maintain it.
Glorfindel
Sep 2012
#27
So, they sell 1 foot by 1 foot plots in the square for $1 apiece to any organization that wants it.
cbayer
Sep 2012
#30
... The Snyder-Farmer Post of the American Legion of Hyattsville erected the forty foot cross
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#68