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tama

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50. Ah, dictionary definition!
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 06:54 AM
Jan 2012

By all means, you can stick with a dictionary definition and stop with that, or you can seek better comprehension of the phenomenon. The word 'shamanism' goes back to Eliade:
"Eliade (1972) states: "A first definition of this complex phenomenon, and perhaps the least hazardous, will be: shamanism = technique of ecstasy."[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism

In modern methodology of anthropology, study of world views among human cultures, it is considered very important to not to impose one's own cultural background over the object study - as far as that is possible. So a good scholar questioning the relation between shamanhood and religions (<- a word of Latin origin) starts by questioning informants of tribal people relying on a shaman, how they see the relation between these phenomena.

So, Eliade's approach has been criticized for good reasons:
"Certain anthropologists, most notably Alice Kehoe in her book Shamans and Religion: An Anthropological Exploration in Critical Thinking, are highly critical of the term. Part of this criticism involves the notion of cultural appropriation.[citation needed] This includes criticism of New Age and modern Western forms of Shamanism, which may not only misrepresent or 'dilute' genuine indigenous practices but do so in a way that, according to Kehoe, reinforces racist ideas such as the Noble Savage.
A tableau presenting figures of various cultures filling in mediator-like roles, often being termed as "shaman" in the literature. The tableau presents the diversity of this concept.

Kehoe is highly critical of Mircea Eliade's work. Eliade, being a philosopher and historian of religions rather than an anthropologist, had never done any field work or made any direct contact with 'shamans' or cultures practicing 'shamanism', though he did spend four years studying at the University of Calcutta in India where he received his doctorate based on his Yoga thesis and was acquainted with Mahatma Gandhi. According to Kehoe, Eliade's 'shamanism' is an invention synthesized from various sources unsupported by more direct research. To Kehoe, what some scholars of shamanism treat as being definitive of shamanism, most notably drumming, trance, chanting, entheogens and hallucinogenics, spirit communication and healing, are practices that

* exist outside of what is defined as shamanism and play similar roles even in non-shamanic cultures (such as the role of chanting in Judeo-Christian and Islamic rituals)
* in their expression are unique to each culture that uses them and cannot be generalized easily, accurately or usefully into a global ‘religion’ such as shamanism.

Because of this, Kehoe is also highly critical of the notion that shamanism is an ancient, unchanged, and surviving religion from the Paleolithic period.

Mihály Hoppál also discusses whether the term "shamanism" is appropriate. He recommends using the term "shamanhood"[187] or "shamanship"[188] for stressing the diversity and the specific features of the discussed cultures. This is a term used in old Russian and German ethnographic reports at the beginning of the 20th century. He believes that this term is less general and places more stress on the local variations,[49] and it emphasizes also that shamanism is not a religion of sacred dogmas, but linked to the everyday life in a practical way.[189] Following similar thoughts, he also conjectures a contemporary paradigm shift.[187] Also Piers Vitebsky mentions, that despite really astonishing similarities, there is no unity in shamanism. The various, fragmented shamanistic practices and beliefs coexist with other beliefs everywhere. There is no record of pure shamanistic societies (although, as for the past, their existence is not impossible).[190]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism#Criticism_of_the_term_.22shaman.22_or_.22shamanism.22

And that's just wikipedia, of course there is much much more...

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And hey, what's the harm skepticscott Jan 2012 #1
A perfect example of how religions of the world contribute so much.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #2
That's just plain flat slap fucked up. nt rrneck Jan 2012 #3
How horrible. The poor child! LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #4
Well then, by that measure we should end our respect and tolerance cleanhippie Jan 2012 #5
So have many things, depending on circumstances LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #15
Tell me. Have more people been murdered under the guise of religion than humblebum Jan 2012 #16
Yawn. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #18
I would tell you the same thing. humblebum Jan 2012 #21
Zzzzzzzzzz cleanhippie Jan 2012 #22
IOW, You'll say just about anything and you really couldn't humblebum Jan 2012 #23
Zzzzzzzzzzz cleanhippie Jan 2012 #24
Does anybody suggest totalitarian tyranny deserves respect or accommodation? dmallind Jan 2012 #38
Why answer a question with a question that has little to do with the subject at hand? humblebum Jan 2012 #39
You raised the irrelevant issue. I can't answer it? dmallind Jan 2012 #40
How is it irrelevant? When it is being implied that religion is responsible for so humblebum Jan 2012 #41
That makes no sense. laconicsax Jan 2012 #42
Now that makes no sense. When certain atheists or anti-religious people attack religion frequently humblebum Jan 2012 #43
IOW: You will always try to change the subject. Got it. laconicsax Jan 2012 #44
Exposing the real problem is hardly changing the subject. humblebum Jan 2012 #46
Changing the subject is changing the subect. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #47
Kinda like saying the Dalai Lama blew up the WTC. Things humblebum Jan 2012 #48
Like you just did? Iggo Jan 2012 #54
Yep. It made the point didn't it? That was my point. It's a non-answer.nt humblebum Jan 2012 #55
And if the harvest doesn't improve -- ritual facepalms all around! immoderate Jan 2012 #6
I can't seem to find the name of the religion that encourages these practices Mosby Jan 2012 #7
Is that important? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #8
....Only to those of the "no true Scotsman" religions. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #9
I don't know Mosby Jan 2012 #10
Care to point out the differenced between what you define as a religion and MarkCharles Jan 2012 #11
I would agree that it is much more like a proto-religion. It does not appear to cbayer Jan 2012 #13
Based on magic and astrology, huh? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #19
Shaminism is a religion. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #14
This dude with a phd said astrology is a religion Mosby Jan 2012 #27
A phd in what? ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #31
I don't speak the language Mosby Jan 2012 #32
That is his office hours. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #34
Shamanhood tama Jan 2012 #51
It looks to be a cultish sect of Hinduism practised only in the very rural, most poor and illiterate cbayer Jan 2012 #12
So what exactly would you say IS an example skepticscott Jan 2012 #17
It would be rather redundant for me to do that, as it is done every day cbayer Jan 2012 #20
No, that's NOT what you were pointing out skepticscott Jan 2012 #25
These subthreads that focus mainly on the exact words used and not the cbayer Jan 2012 #26
Well now, THAT'S a familiar argument, isn't it. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #28
You took the words right out of my mouth skepticscott Jan 2012 #33
It's been a long-used tactic among the apologists here skepticscott Jan 2012 #30
It's not an example because Shamanism is not a religion nt. Mosby Jan 2012 #29
Sorry, it's just too tiresome to waste much time skepticscott Jan 2012 #35
It's not shamanism tama Jan 2012 #45
Actually, Shaminism is a religion. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #49
Ah, dictionary definition! tama Jan 2012 #50
That is completely ridiculous. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #52
Lost me there tama Jan 2012 #53
I was saying shaminsim is a religion. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #56
Sure tama Jan 2012 #57
Tribal people Vehl Jan 2012 #36
Perhaps we should be using the word "allegedly" here, since details may not yet be clear struggle4progress Jan 2012 #37
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