Religious Question #1

[Tigress DEM]

131. Yeah, there is.

I'm a Christian, but I'm very open to the idea that others don't have the personal understanding that I do and their perceptions may make it very different for them to live in this world. If we think in polar opposites, our viewpoints change the way we see the world.

However, like the other poster, I've had conversations with reasonable atheists and have been happy to find out, and a little embarrassed to be honest, that moral values can exist without the whole God thing. I had those conversations when I was young and naive and it simply didn't occur to me HOW someone would learn about morality or study it without reference to the study of God. Humanists. Ethical individuals. It's a pleasure to know good hearted people of any stripe.

Still atheists make a choice to not believe in God. Refuse was probably an ill chosen word, but having had these conversations and listening a lot, I've got your point. However, it's equally uncomfortable for a Christian to hear that we are basically making this up and centuries of field experience means absolutely nothing. It means something, we just don't agree on what it means. Atheists do reject the idea that further study is relevant and have moved on to other things.

So let's speak in a more scientific way. IF there is a creator as many people believe, then to have created all that we are as humans and the world etc.... that being would be far beyond our understanding. It's kind of a given that something that is created is less intelligent than that which created it. Even with computers whose raw computing power gives them a speed of intelligence well past our own, it still takes a person to make full sense of the data.

I disagree with Trotsky that God "could have" created a world without violence or hardship. I believe He did, Eden. THEN free will was introduced and we got confused, possibly chemically altered by "fruit" that wasn't meant for us to eat. As in most myths have some basis in fact, something happened.

IF our creator is a being of light and love and creativity, possibly we have to be on that wave length to return to our original spiritual self upon death. This essence of who we are inhabits a physical body and we severed our natural communication at the fall and need to work through many levels of understanding to get back to that state. We have to purge the inter-fear-ance in order to return to our source.

Babies haven't learned to hate yet so their channel is still clear.

Chenney lives a comfortable physical life, but his heart and soul are black and nearly lifeless. So he gets his full reward here on Earth and ceases to be a problem once he dies. He's failing his test, but that's his own problem. Course living on this planet while he spews isn't any fun.