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In reply to the discussion: I wish you wouldn't force your beliefs on me! [View all]LARED
(11,735 posts)47. Do you even read what you post?
Reasonable and intelligent people KNOW that the religious right will use any wedge they can to increase the presence of religious symbols on public property, and to lie about it proving that this is a Xstian nation.
You are projecting your paranoid fantasies on to reasonable and intelligent people.
Reasonable and intelligent people, and religious people who aren't threatened by every lawsuit removing blatantly religious symbols from public property know that it doesn't harm them one bit if those symbols are not there.
So what? No one is harmed if they stay either.
This "Christian heritage" you talk about sounds suspiciously like the "southern heritage" of neo-Confederate racists.
Nice red herring.
Where did I say that the US government was "promoting Christian religion at every opportunity"? Nowhere. Just another of your lies. I said that most Christians (who you ridiculously claimed value the separation of church and state, when they don't even understand it) have no problem with every instance when the government does promote their religion (and the instances are numerous and ongoing). Go back and work on your reading comprehension.
You are still avoiding the question. Where is the government promoting Christianity in an ongoing fashion?
The framers didn't think that either, but they STILL thought that government promotion and endorsement of religion was a bad idea, now didn't they?
Actually the framers thought the federal government establishing a religion was a very bad idea, not all forms of government. You have read that silly tenth amendment correct? If you took the time to study the framers and the history of state governments many had little problem with the government promoting Christian religiosity. In fact many states had religious requirements to be eligible for public office well into the early twentieth century. I'm not promoting this idea, just trying to educate you about the historical relationship between Christianity and the American government.
You are projecting your paranoid fantasies on to reasonable and intelligent people.
Reasonable and intelligent people, and religious people who aren't threatened by every lawsuit removing blatantly religious symbols from public property know that it doesn't harm them one bit if those symbols are not there.
So what? No one is harmed if they stay either.
This "Christian heritage" you talk about sounds suspiciously like the "southern heritage" of neo-Confederate racists.
Nice red herring.
Where did I say that the US government was "promoting Christian religion at every opportunity"? Nowhere. Just another of your lies. I said that most Christians (who you ridiculously claimed value the separation of church and state, when they don't even understand it) have no problem with every instance when the government does promote their religion (and the instances are numerous and ongoing). Go back and work on your reading comprehension.
You are still avoiding the question. Where is the government promoting Christianity in an ongoing fashion?
The framers didn't think that either, but they STILL thought that government promotion and endorsement of religion was a bad idea, now didn't they?
Actually the framers thought the federal government establishing a religion was a very bad idea, not all forms of government. You have read that silly tenth amendment correct? If you took the time to study the framers and the history of state governments many had little problem with the government promoting Christian religiosity. In fact many states had religious requirements to be eligible for public office well into the early twentieth century. I'm not promoting this idea, just trying to educate you about the historical relationship between Christianity and the American government.
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Good point. But it is the system which has been imposed on people, not the belief.
Starboard Tack
Sep 2012
#7
Do you consider those atheists, like myself, who embrace tolerant, liberal progressives of all faith
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#102
When he says "some atheists", he is talking about you. He probably doesn't realize it yet...
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#101
Science, the world, and reality itself have been forcing their beliefs on people for, like, ever
mindwalker_i
Sep 2012
#8
It appears that the term "belief" is broader than you would like to admit. If
humblebum
Sep 2012
#35
Uh oh, rexcat, humblebum got you. When he says "you have been proven wrong", it's over!
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#55
Yes, of course we know that "religious belief" is the only kind of belief. Makes
humblebum
Oct 2012
#63
No, there can also be "belief in Santa, Unicorns, the Tooth Fairy and Lipstick Lesbians"
Oregonian
Oct 2012
#69
And the point being made is "Christians do not believe in separation of Church and State"
Fortinbras Armstrong
Oct 2012
#92
Or hateful, intolerant atheists. The violins are getting louder all the time. nt
humblebum
Sep 2012
#44
Yes we all agree calling strident atheists ideologues is hateful intolerance. Well maybe not all.
LARED
Sep 2012
#45
"Actually the framers thought the federal government establishing a religion was a very bad idea"
Oregonian
Oct 2012
#61
Where did I say that Jefferson was not a Founding Father? Answer: I never did.
humblebum
Oct 2012
#82
Well one might be tempted to think you're speaking about the Constitution when you are
humblebum
Oct 2012
#85
"Then one of your weaknesses is being a liar" and "Your position is absurd." - Nailed it!
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#94