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QuantumOfPeace

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92. You missed the point -

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:24 AM

Oct 2012

The gang lifestyle is the cultural ethic that is accepted, in order to become a member of the gang. (Frequently, it includes multiple generations and is very, very hard to break away from.)

This ethic, which includes violence, is atheistic.

(I am unaware of any gang violence in America that is theistic. It could be, but I know of none that is, tattoos or "cultural Catholic" or anything else notwithstanding.)

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Is it taboo in America to talk about atheist violence? [View all] QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 OP

Actually a lot of gang members identify as religious. NC_Nurse Oct 2012 #1

Pretty sure gang violence is irrelgious violence QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #4

So you're saying religious people can't be violent, only atheists can? n/t trotsky Oct 2012 #15

So your're saying only religious people can be violent, not atheists? n/t QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #23

Unlike you, no, I never claimed that. trotsky Oct 2012 #71

Deflection - is that the origin of the taboo, maybe? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #88

What is apparently taboo... trotsky Oct 2012 #98

Pretty sure gang violence is irrelgious violence QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #119

Doubling down on religious bigotry. trotsky Oct 2012 #124

Atheists can get cognitive dissonance, too QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #135

Nope, absolutely anybody can be violent. LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #74

Yup, but not talking about that. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #78

And most Muslims would say violence isn't Islamic. So what? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #122

What's the difference between religious violence and irreligious violence? Iggo Oct 2012 #100

Obviously, religious violence doesn't exist. trotsky Oct 2012 #101

Thanks for a good laugh. nt raccoon Oct 2012 #134

WTF does atheism have to do with gang violence? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #120

Read the whole thread QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #137

Asked and answered... Iggo Oct 2012 #142

Yep, I noticed that. Lots of dancing, not much answering. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #148

Not a damn thing. okasha Oct 2012 #144

"atheistic ethics" ? bunnies Oct 2012 #2

Don't atheists have ethics? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #3

Don't most humans? bunnies Oct 2012 #8

Most? Yes, humans have ethics QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #20

I don't think your example is valid... rexcat Oct 2012 #5

I can't think of any religion that would accept that definition of family QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #6

Yes, atheists do violence... rexcat Oct 2012 #10

If atheists do violence, is it taboo to talk about it, be frank about it? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #21

It is not taboo to be frank about ANYBODY'S violence! LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #75

Not talking about this or that violent act QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #79

It isn't according to anyone's ethics, except perhaps the ethics of the gang culture LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #165

Um, rrneck Oct 2012 #7

They are not doing violence in the name of any god QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #22

Your example in the OP was a bad one Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #60

Is OP makes a lot less sense than that, I get the feeling this poster is very young... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #65

Hopefully Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #67

What can I say, I'm an optimist... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #70

Not really QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #93

The issue is not violence. rrneck Oct 2012 #82

Gang violence is a "barbaric outrage", going on right now QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #89

Examples? rrneck Oct 2012 #91

Examples? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #96

Are Christian populations rrneck Oct 2012 #105

Not the right question, IMHO QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #131

LOL! rrneck Oct 2012 #145

Lovely logic. trotsky Oct 2012 #9

I think we will have a better chance... rexcat Oct 2012 #11

Somehow I don't think they'll be around long enough for it to matter. trotsky Oct 2012 #12

... rexcat Oct 2012 #13

I hope you're right. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #149

Ta daaaaa! trotsky Oct 2012 #161

I had 100 posts in the Pool skepticscott Oct 2012 #162

Wonder where the religious DUers are on this one? EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #18

I am not holding my breath on them coming... rexcat Oct 2012 #19

No defense required QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #25

You would have had to present some evidence for your alleged atheist violence in gangs. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #72

And what evidence of "atheist" violence.. rexcat Oct 2012 #103

Pretty sure gang violence is irrelgious violence QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #116

I just saw the post right now.... Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #61

With respect, you didn't read the OP correctly QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #90

Thank you EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #155

Strawman counter-logic doesn't seem to help QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #24

You are talking about secular reasons for violence... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #33

No, I think I'm talking about more than that QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #35

Atheism has an opposite meaning to theism, not religion.... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #40

Relabeling/Redefining the terms doesn't change anything QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #48

Who is redefining here? I have never heard of the uses of atheism, nor the definitions you made... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #51

Quick survey - atheists use "atheist" not the labels you suggest QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #77

Please don't speak for atheists... rexcat Oct 2012 #110

I spoke how atheists describe themselves, not "for atheists" QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #115

Each member of a gang Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #62

I disagree - Taboo may prevent us from looking at it for what it is QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #80

Just maybe the "media"... rexcat Oct 2012 #111

Why do you have such a black and white view of the world EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #156

Wow Plantaganet Oct 2012 #14

Most gangsters around here are very definitely Christian Warpy Oct 2012 #16

If there is no atheist "bad", how can there be atheist "good"? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #26

There isn't an atheist "good", where did you get your information on atheism from? n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #34

Atheists each define "good" differently for themselves.. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #39

Just like theists, yes... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #41

Chritian ethics are not atheistic ethics QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #43

Christian Humanists have more in common with Secular Humanists when it comes to ethics... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #44

All systems of ethics without god(s) are atheistic, not theistic QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #46

So where do Deists fall on this definition you made? Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #50

Described isn't the term I would use, unclear, vague, and uninformative are more accurate. Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #52

Like difference between genus and species QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #55

Well, it looks like you also fail phylogeny and how nested hierarchies are structured too. n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #58

Only trying to help you think about it clearly QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #81

Would you describe your view as there are ethics and morality which are Leontius Oct 2012 #95

OP noted QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #97

And exactly what is the "obvious"? Leontius Oct 2012 #114

obvious that anyone can be an atheist without being a humanist, objectivist, rationalist, relatavist QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #125

Modified maybe, but generally that is expounded upon in religion... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #133

What do you believe is the source or foundation of human ethical and moral Leontius Oct 2012 #160

I don't think there is any one source for such systems, but rather many different sources... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #163

Please try reading my post again Warpy Oct 2012 #143

I have to agree Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #64

Not to mention the causes of gang violence... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #68

not the point of this OP, but people could disagree QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #94

You missed the point - QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #92

"I am unaware of any gang violence in America that is theistic." - Really? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #127

Don't know QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #136

It is apparent that you don't know very much on the subject. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #147

Anyone got the jury results for this one? EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #17

It is always hard to talk about taboos, to tell the truth QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #27

You're confusing secular with atheist. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #28

Don't really see gang members at Church or Temple QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #30

You haven't made a case for violence by atheists � none whatsoever. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #76

Irreligious violence of this type seems self evident QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #83

And not all violent gangsters are atheists either! LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #153

The worshippers of Santa Muerte often ask her to bless their guns and ammo. dimbear Oct 2012 #29

Atheists can be superstitious QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #36

Atheism are people who lack a belief in gods... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #42

Atheistic ethics are on the table for certain QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #45

But atheism doesn't GIVE them ethics, that's the difference... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #47

Is it TABOO to talk about the atheistic ethics you didn't list? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #53

What are you talking about, I already mentioned Objectivists, and please, use the proper... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #54

I guess it really is taboo QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #56

I fail to see a connection between the OP and what you are talking about... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #57

I just did, it makes no more sense now than it did when I first read it... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #31

What. The. Fuck. Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #32

Cognitive dissonance? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #37

Yes, "Atheistic" is a valid adjective, its just that almost any word it modifies makes it... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #38

covered this up above at #46 QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #49

No, there is not a taboo on talking about atheist violence Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #63

There is an atheistic ethic of violence we see in gang lifestyle and QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #85

You will need to expand on that thought... rexcat Oct 2012 #104

It's a plain truth QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #121

No, that is not a plain truth. eomer Oct 2012 #157

Most members of the mafia are also devout Catholics, but the media NEVER reports their violence as smokey nj Oct 2012 #66

Correct. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #87

I wonder why that is. Do you think it's taboo to talk about Catholic violence? smokey nj Oct 2012 #102

No QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #126

"Christians would say that the gang lifestyle and associated gangland violence is not Christian"? mr blur Oct 2012 #69

Strawman/misdirection/deflection QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #86

You seem like an idiot. Or blind. Or both. mr blur Oct 2012 #99

You missed the obvious... rexcat Oct 2012 #106

Attacking me won't change the facts QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #123

Gang violence is hardly based on atheism LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #73

Not talking about that QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #84

This makes no sense to me at all. cbayer Oct 2012 #107

Thank you for the cogent remark... rexcat Oct 2012 #108

No reason to excuse violence with poverty QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #129

Keep thinking then QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #128

What are atheistic ethics and choices? cbayer Oct 2012 #130

See #2 - Atheists have ethics, right? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #138

Irreligious does not mean atheistic. Your arguments are circular and make no sense. cbayer Oct 2012 #140

"Without God, anything is possible." nt Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #109

Seems you agree with the OP... rexcat Oct 2012 #112

There is a natural human proclivity which spirals down toward violence, revenge, conquest etc. Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #117

Interesting perspective - worth the read QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #139

Secularism is what has tempered the church. trotsky Oct 2012 #152

In a way, it's a relief to see you so officially and finally own up to your own religious bigotry. trotsky Oct 2012 #150

That is a correct assessment. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #151

If ethics are not derived from "human nature" EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #158

I know his answer to that. trotsky Oct 2012 #166

This ranks up there with the most bizarre and absurd threadss I have seen on DU Marrah_G Oct 2012 #113

Proof itself that there is a taboo, maybe QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #118

Or that the entire thing is absurd......... Marrah_G Oct 2012 #154

Typing EvilAL Oct 2012 #132

Perfect example of the taboo in the media and statistics, maybe. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #141

Sorry. I haven't seen any examples of violence attributed squarely to atheism. rug Oct 2012 #146

What would you like on your.... Paulie Oct 2012 #159

Troll is gone. Hosts, please, lock this bigoted claptrap. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #164

Locking. OP has been escorted from the building by MIRT struggle4progress Oct 2012 #167