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QuantumOfPeace

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115. I spoke how atheists describe themselves, not "for atheists"

Reply to rexcat (Reply #110)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:22 PM

Oct 2012

saying otherwise is dishonest.

I didn't dismiss atheists, I addressed their points and said why they didn't fit.

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Is it taboo in America to talk about atheist violence? [View all] QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 OP

Actually a lot of gang members identify as religious. NC_Nurse Oct 2012 #1

Pretty sure gang violence is irrelgious violence QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #4

So you're saying religious people can't be violent, only atheists can? n/t trotsky Oct 2012 #15

So your're saying only religious people can be violent, not atheists? n/t QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #23

Unlike you, no, I never claimed that. trotsky Oct 2012 #71

Deflection - is that the origin of the taboo, maybe? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #88

What is apparently taboo... trotsky Oct 2012 #98

Pretty sure gang violence is irrelgious violence QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #119

Doubling down on religious bigotry. trotsky Oct 2012 #124

Atheists can get cognitive dissonance, too QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #135

Nope, absolutely anybody can be violent. LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #74

Yup, but not talking about that. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #78

And most Muslims would say violence isn't Islamic. So what? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #122

What's the difference between religious violence and irreligious violence? Iggo Oct 2012 #100

Obviously, religious violence doesn't exist. trotsky Oct 2012 #101

Thanks for a good laugh. nt raccoon Oct 2012 #134

WTF does atheism have to do with gang violence? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #120

Read the whole thread QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #137

Asked and answered... Iggo Oct 2012 #142

Yep, I noticed that. Lots of dancing, not much answering. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #148

Not a damn thing. okasha Oct 2012 #144

"atheistic ethics" ? bunnies Oct 2012 #2

Don't atheists have ethics? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #3

Don't most humans? bunnies Oct 2012 #8

Most? Yes, humans have ethics QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #20

I don't think your example is valid... rexcat Oct 2012 #5

I can't think of any religion that would accept that definition of family QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #6

Yes, atheists do violence... rexcat Oct 2012 #10

If atheists do violence, is it taboo to talk about it, be frank about it? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #21

It is not taboo to be frank about ANYBODY'S violence! LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #75

Not talking about this or that violent act QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #79

It isn't according to anyone's ethics, except perhaps the ethics of the gang culture LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #165

Um, rrneck Oct 2012 #7

They are not doing violence in the name of any god QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #22

Your example in the OP was a bad one Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #60

Is OP makes a lot less sense than that, I get the feeling this poster is very young... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #65

Hopefully Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #67

What can I say, I'm an optimist... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #70

Not really QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #93

The issue is not violence. rrneck Oct 2012 #82

Gang violence is a "barbaric outrage", going on right now QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #89

Examples? rrneck Oct 2012 #91

Examples? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #96

Are Christian populations rrneck Oct 2012 #105

Not the right question, IMHO QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #131

LOL! rrneck Oct 2012 #145

Lovely logic. trotsky Oct 2012 #9

I think we will have a better chance... rexcat Oct 2012 #11

Somehow I don't think they'll be around long enough for it to matter. trotsky Oct 2012 #12

... rexcat Oct 2012 #13

I hope you're right. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #149

Ta daaaaa! trotsky Oct 2012 #161

I had 100 posts in the Pool skepticscott Oct 2012 #162

Wonder where the religious DUers are on this one? EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #18

I am not holding my breath on them coming... rexcat Oct 2012 #19

No defense required QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #25

You would have had to present some evidence for your alleged atheist violence in gangs. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #72

And what evidence of "atheist" violence.. rexcat Oct 2012 #103

Pretty sure gang violence is irrelgious violence QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #116

I just saw the post right now.... Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #61

With respect, you didn't read the OP correctly QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #90

Thank you EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #155

Strawman counter-logic doesn't seem to help QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #24

You are talking about secular reasons for violence... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #33

No, I think I'm talking about more than that QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #35

Atheism has an opposite meaning to theism, not religion.... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #40

Relabeling/Redefining the terms doesn't change anything QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #48

Who is redefining here? I have never heard of the uses of atheism, nor the definitions you made... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #51

Quick survey - atheists use "atheist" not the labels you suggest QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #77

Please don't speak for atheists... rexcat Oct 2012 #110

I spoke how atheists describe themselves, not "for atheists" QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #115

Each member of a gang Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #62

I disagree - Taboo may prevent us from looking at it for what it is QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #80

Just maybe the "media"... rexcat Oct 2012 #111

Why do you have such a black and white view of the world EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #156

Wow Plantaganet Oct 2012 #14

Most gangsters around here are very definitely Christian Warpy Oct 2012 #16

If there is no atheist "bad", how can there be atheist "good"? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #26

There isn't an atheist "good", where did you get your information on atheism from? n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #34

Atheists each define "good" differently for themselves.. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #39

Just like theists, yes... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #41

Chritian ethics are not atheistic ethics QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #43

Christian Humanists have more in common with Secular Humanists when it comes to ethics... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #44

All systems of ethics without god(s) are atheistic, not theistic QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #46

So where do Deists fall on this definition you made? Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #50

Described isn't the term I would use, unclear, vague, and uninformative are more accurate. Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #52

Like difference between genus and species QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #55

Well, it looks like you also fail phylogeny and how nested hierarchies are structured too. n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #58

Only trying to help you think about it clearly QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #81

Would you describe your view as there are ethics and morality which are Leontius Oct 2012 #95

OP noted QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #97

And exactly what is the "obvious"? Leontius Oct 2012 #114

obvious that anyone can be an atheist without being a humanist, objectivist, rationalist, relatavist QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #125

Modified maybe, but generally that is expounded upon in religion... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #133

What do you believe is the source or foundation of human ethical and moral Leontius Oct 2012 #160

I don't think there is any one source for such systems, but rather many different sources... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #163

Please try reading my post again Warpy Oct 2012 #143

I have to agree Dorian Gray Oct 2012 #64

Not to mention the causes of gang violence... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #68

not the point of this OP, but people could disagree QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #94

You missed the point - QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #92

"I am unaware of any gang violence in America that is theistic." - Really? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #127

Don't know QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #136

It is apparent that you don't know very much on the subject. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #147

Anyone got the jury results for this one? EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #17

It is always hard to talk about taboos, to tell the truth QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #27

You're confusing secular with atheist. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #28

Don't really see gang members at Church or Temple QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #30

You haven't made a case for violence by atheists � none whatsoever. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #76

Irreligious violence of this type seems self evident QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #83

And not all violent gangsters are atheists either! LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #153

The worshippers of Santa Muerte often ask her to bless their guns and ammo. dimbear Oct 2012 #29

Atheists can be superstitious QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #36

Atheism are people who lack a belief in gods... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #42

Atheistic ethics are on the table for certain QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #45

But atheism doesn't GIVE them ethics, that's the difference... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #47

Is it TABOO to talk about the atheistic ethics you didn't list? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #53

What are you talking about, I already mentioned Objectivists, and please, use the proper... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #54

I guess it really is taboo QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #56

I fail to see a connection between the OP and what you are talking about... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #57

I just did, it makes no more sense now than it did when I first read it... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #31

What. The. Fuck. Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #32

Cognitive dissonance? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #37

Yes, "Atheistic" is a valid adjective, its just that almost any word it modifies makes it... Humanist_Activist Oct 2012 #38

covered this up above at #46 QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #49

No, there is not a taboo on talking about atheist violence Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #63

There is an atheistic ethic of violence we see in gang lifestyle and QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #85

You will need to expand on that thought... rexcat Oct 2012 #104

It's a plain truth QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #121

No, that is not a plain truth. eomer Oct 2012 #157

Most members of the mafia are also devout Catholics, but the media NEVER reports their violence as smokey nj Oct 2012 #66

Correct. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #87

I wonder why that is. Do you think it's taboo to talk about Catholic violence? smokey nj Oct 2012 #102

No QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #126

"Christians would say that the gang lifestyle and associated gangland violence is not Christian"? mr blur Oct 2012 #69

Strawman/misdirection/deflection QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #86

You seem like an idiot. Or blind. Or both. mr blur Oct 2012 #99

You missed the obvious... rexcat Oct 2012 #106

Attacking me won't change the facts QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #123

Gang violence is hardly based on atheism LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #73

Not talking about that QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #84

This makes no sense to me at all. cbayer Oct 2012 #107

Thank you for the cogent remark... rexcat Oct 2012 #108

No reason to excuse violence with poverty QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #129

Keep thinking then QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #128

What are atheistic ethics and choices? cbayer Oct 2012 #130

See #2 - Atheists have ethics, right? QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #138

Irreligious does not mean atheistic. Your arguments are circular and make no sense. cbayer Oct 2012 #140

"Without God, anything is possible." nt Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #109

Seems you agree with the OP... rexcat Oct 2012 #112

There is a natural human proclivity which spirals down toward violence, revenge, conquest etc. Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #117

Interesting perspective - worth the read QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #139

Secularism is what has tempered the church. trotsky Oct 2012 #152

In a way, it's a relief to see you so officially and finally own up to your own religious bigotry. trotsky Oct 2012 #150

That is a correct assessment. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #151

If ethics are not derived from "human nature" EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2012 #158

I know his answer to that. trotsky Oct 2012 #166

This ranks up there with the most bizarre and absurd threadss I have seen on DU Marrah_G Oct 2012 #113

Proof itself that there is a taboo, maybe QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #118

Or that the entire thing is absurd......... Marrah_G Oct 2012 #154

Typing EvilAL Oct 2012 #132

Perfect example of the taboo in the media and statistics, maybe. QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #141

Sorry. I haven't seen any examples of violence attributed squarely to atheism. rug Oct 2012 #146

What would you like on your.... Paulie Oct 2012 #159

Troll is gone. Hosts, please, lock this bigoted claptrap. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #164

Locking. OP has been escorted from the building by MIRT struggle4progress Oct 2012 #167