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In reply to the discussion: Irreverence isn't bigotry, because ideas and beliefs are not people. [View all]Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)25. So you take quotes out of context to label him a bigot? How dishonest is that?
Religious leaders, such as priests, ministers, clerics, clergy, and acolytes et al, exert their leadership by claiming to be fellow followers of an invisible, silent entity that speaks and communicates through them.
First off, I don't see this as generalized, but rather a statement of fact, it lacks nuance, it doesn't specify the religion, but its no more bigoted than saying the Christians exert their leadership by claiming to be followers of Jesus Christ. That's just a statement of fact, he generalized the supernatural to cover all religions, but I don't see where it is bigoted or inaccurate.
Supposed adherents to religions, whose holy scriptures claim that their god is the only true god, and that all other religions must be shunned, and whose followers must be either converted or killed, should not be praying together.
This is yet another statement that is even more a statement of fact, rather than bigotry, granted he could have been more specific, like specifying the Abrahamic Religions, which I think is what he's talking about, but generally this is an opinion on the incongruity in people worshiping together who hold, in many cases, incompatible beliefs, and that's putting it lightly. Again, not bigotry, can you give an example of bigotry from his article?
First off, I don't see this as generalized, but rather a statement of fact, it lacks nuance, it doesn't specify the religion, but its no more bigoted than saying the Christians exert their leadership by claiming to be followers of Jesus Christ. That's just a statement of fact, he generalized the supernatural to cover all religions, but I don't see where it is bigoted or inaccurate.
Supposed adherents to religions, whose holy scriptures claim that their god is the only true god, and that all other religions must be shunned, and whose followers must be either converted or killed, should not be praying together.
This is yet another statement that is even more a statement of fact, rather than bigotry, granted he could have been more specific, like specifying the Abrahamic Religions, which I think is what he's talking about, but generally this is an opinion on the incongruity in people worshiping together who hold, in many cases, incompatible beliefs, and that's putting it lightly. Again, not bigotry, can you give an example of bigotry from his article?
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Irreverence isn't bigotry, because ideas and beliefs are not people. [View all]
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2012
OP
I disagree. If an idea is unable to stand up to scrutiny but is still advocated, then disrespect
cleanhippie
Jan 2012
#5
If that is your idea and you advocate that idea, then consider your wish granted.
Starboard Tack
Jan 2012
#6
"Ideas and beliefs only merit respect if they can stand up under scrutiny" - Exactly!
cleanhippie
Jan 2012
#4
Show me how you act--whether you have compassion, a thirst for justice and peace----
Thats my opinion
Jan 2012
#8
I don't think so, I'm lucky, at my work, I can show irreverence quite openly...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2012
#21
I have seen quite a bit of discussion about bigotry towards believers here recently
cbayer
Jan 2012
#13
If I were to say that the Catholic Church is a homophobic, misogynistic organization...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2012
#22
So you take quotes out of context to label him a bigot? How dishonest is that?
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2012
#25
Irreverence mocks people, because people are attached to their beliefs. It can be bigotry.
kwassa
Jan 2012
#37
I consider atheism to be extremely narrow-minded, narrowly focused, and generally
humblebum
Jan 2012
#39
I'd love to see examples of this danger, so I can demolish them with evidence...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2012
#40
The "positivist" method or "logical positivist" or 'logical empirical method", each of which
humblebum
Jan 2012
#41
You really are stuck on the whole "atheism equals communism" thing, aren't you?
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2012
#43
You have failed to "demolish" anything with evidence. And, nowhere did I state
humblebum
Jan 2012
#47
I think you pretty much summed it up. Atheism, in general, is neutral, neither good nor bad.
humblebum
Jan 2012
#55
Never have denied that "Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods." That does not
humblebum
Jan 2012
#64
You are right about that, it is different in that atheist thought is reality-based.
cleanhippie
Jan 2012
#67
You are confusing yourself even more. Every one of my statements there reflects
humblebum
Jan 2012
#75
Also, where did I say that anyone was born with an active belief in anything? I only
humblebum
Jan 2012
#88