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rug

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:28 PM Oct 2012

Atheists and Foxholes [View all]

OCTOBER 23, 2012 1:14PM
Ann Nichols

When my brother told me my mother was really going to die, that there would be no amazing reprieve this time, I got the answer to a question I’d been asking most of my life. I always wondered if, when my parents died, I would pray, talk to God, and find some comfort in something outside myself. It was the worst thing I could think of, the death of my parents, worse for me than any physical threat. As a small child I stood at the window and wept if I heard sirens when they were out for the evening, convinced that they had been killed. The loss of either or both of them, although inevitable, was the hardest thing imaginable, the complete destruction of all that I believed to be stable and good.

It was never clear whether I would be atheist or believer in that unavoidable foxhole of loss. My spiritual life was shaped by my believing-but-not-very -observant Jewish mother and my lapsed Catholic-turned-atheist father. My brother and I experienced everything from Passovers, chopped liver and menorahs with my mother and her family to Catholic mass with my father’s mother. We received information about religion and spirituality that was contradictory,non-directive and honest. Organized religion, according to my father, was the root of most of the evil and suffering in the world. He believed that “religious” people unwilling to question doctrine, or to offer real help to those in need were sheep and hypocrites. He also took my grandmother to mass every Sunday, and genuflected before entering the pew at her funeral.

My mother believed in God, and she placed great value on keeping Jewish traditions and history alive. She was also as open and ecumenical as my father was not; in the later years of her life she and I discussed everything from Jesus to angels. She and I shared the belief that faith can be a great blessing, but that religion was absolutely not essential in raising moral children who felt a duty to serve. My brother and I turned out pretty well, we are both personally and professionally dedicated to helping other people, and we did it all without threat of hell, excommunication or judgment of any kind. We did it because our parents modeled it, demanded it, and made us want to be good people.

Left to my own thoughts and choices, I experimented, sampled, and studied. I believed there was something greater than our little lives. It could all be a series of accidents from The Big Bang forward that created the beauty of spider webs, seashells and snowflakes. Everything could be science, all gravity and stardust and evolution. I believed in the scientific facts, but I, personally, wanted something more.

http://open.salon.com/blog/ann_nichols/2012/10/23/atheists_and_foxholes

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Atheists and Foxholes [View all] rug Oct 2012 OP
Oh brother. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #1
Arakan anyone? dmallind Oct 2012 #32
Exactly. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #35
Excellent article, imo. I think she expresses what many feel. cbayer Oct 2012 #2
That's only true if skepticscott Oct 2012 #3
"There may be atheists in foxholes, but apparently I am not one of them." writes Ms Nichols. stopbush Oct 2012 #4
It's not always about groveling, you know. cbayer Oct 2012 #5
In a foxhole it is. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #7
I disagree. Sometimes in a crises, it's about trying to find some internal strength. cbayer Oct 2012 #9
The author misused the term "atheist in a foxhole". beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #10
What she describes is nothing like begging for her (or her mother's life), so I agree cbayer Oct 2012 #11
The foxhole reference usually sets me off. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #13
I am - and it's my death not someone else's to boot. dmallind Oct 2012 #33
Hmm edhopper Oct 2012 #6
Is there a reason? rug Oct 2012 #8
A reason for what? edhopper Oct 2012 #43
"But the universe and reality don't exist for your comfort." rug Oct 2012 #44
If you mean an anthropromorphic reason edhopper Oct 2012 #47
No, I'm not asking for physical ausation. rug Oct 2012 #48
Are we in edhopper Oct 2012 #51
No, never mind. rug Oct 2012 #52
You know rug, you really ought to post all this anti-atheist crap in Atheists & Agnostics mr blur Oct 2012 #12
How is this anti-atheist? cbayer Oct 2012 #14
Edit, replied to wrong post. rug Oct 2012 #17
If anything, I found this to be very supportive of atheism and a very personal story. cbayer Oct 2012 #18
He is under the delusion that if I posted it it must be anti-atheist. rug Oct 2012 #19
I can't speak for Mr. Blur but if I had to guess beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #20
I can see how the "There are no atheists in foxholes" meme would be offensive, cbayer Oct 2012 #22
You asked how this thread could be construed as 'anti-atheist'. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #23
That would be true only if one didn't read past the headline. cbayer Oct 2012 #24
If the headline read 'Catholics and the Buggering of Little Boys' would you read past it? beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #25
Yes, I would, because headlines are often used to incite interest. cbayer Oct 2012 #26
They are also used to sow discord. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #27
I don't think there is a need to make this personal. cbayer Oct 2012 #28
Ok, first, the author is no longer an atheist (if she ever was one). beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #29
What does she say that makes you think she is no longer an atheist? cbayer Oct 2012 #30
"I believed there was something greater than our little lives." beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #31
OK, but you make assumptions about "my god", which I would ask you not to do. cbayer Oct 2012 #34
Okay, comparing anybody's god to Santa Claus is offensive. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #36
Agree. cbayer Oct 2012 #37
You think an article written by an woman sifting through belief systems is flamebait? rug Oct 2012 #38
At least I don't play coy. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #39
No, you just indirectly accuse people of posting flamebait. rug Oct 2012 #40
Oh it's a playground... beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #41
Really? And what game are you playing? rug Oct 2012 #42
We really do need that hypocrisy smilie. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #45
One of us does, desperately. rug Oct 2012 #46
It would behoove you to re-read your posts to atheists in this forum before throwing stones at me. beam me up scottie Oct 2012 #49
Simple minds find things to be simple. rug Oct 2012 #50
You have a peculiar view of what is anti-atheism. rug Oct 2012 #21
How is that not atheism? Silent3 Oct 2012 #15
I think that a very accurate description of what she describes. cbayer Oct 2012 #16
"To kati allo" - Embracing Something Else tama Oct 2012 #53
To Kati Allo - I like that very much. cbayer Oct 2012 #54
Silly nothereforyou Oct 2013 #55
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #56
Welcome to DU and to the Religion group, nothereforyou. cbayer Oct 2013 #57
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