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rrneck

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35. Point taken.

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:36 PM

Nov 2012

I was working from an unfounded assumption. My apologies. Although, would it be fair to assume you support the involvement of some religious organization's involvement with the development and implementation of public policy?

Christian loyalty claiming a moral imprimatur is one of the oldest ways the ends justify the means for the despotic exercise of power. Political parties are bad enough. Add to the mix the idea that "God wills it" and there is not a rational, civilized check or balance known to man to counter it.

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What do religious leaders want for Obama�s next four years? [View all] cbayer Nov 2012 OP

Do we care? MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #1

I care. I see the rise of the liberal/progressive religious leaders happening and cbayer Nov 2012 #3

That is a good point MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #12

Not going to happen, imo, but at least I can support the religious leaders who cbayer Nov 2012 #13

Why don't you think it will happen? MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #15

It may not be relevant to your world, but it remains highly relevant to many people's cbayer Nov 2012 #16

Quite true. MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #19

Some of the country's best and brightest are religious people... cbayer Nov 2012 #20

I would say that is a matter of opinion MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #24

We do disagree here on some points. cbayer Nov 2012 #29

I did say it was my opinion MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #32

Many believe that there are things that science will never explain. cbayer Nov 2012 #34

Many people also believe MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #40

We can share that laugh, then cbayer Nov 2012 #41

Indeed. MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #45

Like what, exactly? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #67

Two stories about intelligence and religion socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #33

There is no argument that "proves" religious beliefs. cbayer Nov 2012 #36

Example: A flaming chariot is not driven across the sky every day... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #47

Who wants to force someone's adherence to an unproven belief? cbayer Nov 2012 #48

I applaud your efforts, but cbayer refuses to accept the trend you outlined. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #25

Thanks MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #28

It's time we start following the lead of the Constitution with regard to the ladjf Nov 2012 #2

While not non-existent, there has been significant encroachment cbayer Nov 2012 #4

1. I said "all but non-existent" and 2. My comment about separation of Church and State ladjf Nov 2012 #18

Was just responding to you. Not nit picking, just making my own point. cbayer Nov 2012 #21

Have you seen "Gangs of New York"? rrneck Nov 2012 #53

I agree with your focus to the "defanging the religious right". However, I not at ladjf Nov 2012 #55

I am certain that they are better. Much, much better. cbayer Nov 2012 #59

OK. You aren't a "progressive/liberal religionists". nt ladjf Nov 2012 #61

Money. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #5

BS. Did you get past the headline? cbayer Nov 2012 #7

Well I know my congregation at, 'The House of Peace13' would like... peace13 Nov 2012 #6

I think a lot of progressive religious leaders would agree wholeheartedly cbayer Nov 2012 #8

Preserve religious FREEDOM socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #9

Well put. Freedom of and from religion both deserve focus. cbayer Nov 2012 #11

Depends on which religious leaders you're asking. The Southen Baptists want him to: trotsky Nov 2012 #10

Again: Imposing beliefs on others is not preserving freedom of conscience socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #14

Forcing others to provide tax dollars to fund programs to benefit "the least of these"... trotsky Nov 2012 #17

If you take the religion out of that sataement leaves you with this... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #22

False dilemma. trotsky Nov 2012 #23

Good point about combating poverty more effectively- socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #31

Afetrthought - I should specify -Religious beliefs socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #27

If only it were that simple. trotsky Nov 2012 #57

O.K., so here's a point socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #63

What if someone were to tell you that you can't eat that burger... trotsky Nov 2012 #66

Sure I should have the choice to eat it. socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #68

So let me get this clear: trotsky Nov 2012 #69

That's not what I said. socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #71

There's no need for personal insults. I assure you I am not stupid, nor do I have bad eyesight. trotsky Nov 2012 #72

You misunderstood my answers socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #73

Yes, I'm glad you finally answered the specific question I asked. trotsky Nov 2012 #74

Here is the specific question you asked... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #75

No, your answer to part 2 wasn't "yes." trotsky Nov 2012 #76

I knew Leon personally, you know socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #77

What you are saying now sounds a lot like "Look what you made me do!" trotsky Nov 2012 #78

Hey Trot - I'm sorry socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #79

Yes. rrneck Nov 2012 #26

My tribe? What tribe is that? cbayer Nov 2012 #30

Point taken. rrneck Nov 2012 #35

It would be fair to assume that I support progressive/liberal leaders and followers cbayer Nov 2012 #37

"Take it back" assumes the exercise of power. rrneck Nov 2012 #39

Yes, it does assume the exercise of power. cbayer Nov 2012 #42

Because "god wills it"? rrneck Nov 2012 #44

Lol. Those that believe in god and think they know god's will are contradictions to me. cbayer Nov 2012 #46

Yes, they're condradictions to you rrneck Nov 2012 #50

Can't disagree with that, but I still believe it is worthwhile to support the countervailing cbayer Nov 2012 #51

I have serious doubts about the continued efficacy rrneck Nov 2012 #56

As long as there are civil injustices there will, and probably should be, identity politics. cbayer Nov 2012 #58

The need for justice for women and minorities will never go away. rrneck Nov 2012 #62

Woosh, you are now starting to fly over my head. cbayer Nov 2012 #65

Always a pleasure. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #70

Most of them? His untimely death would be tops on their list. dmallind Nov 2012 #38

Sometimes hyperbole and exaggeration can be very telling. cbayer Nov 2012 #43

It's worked for the theocrats for decades yes dmallind Nov 2012 #49

It works for both theocrats and anti-theists. cbayer Nov 2012 #52

You think so? Knowing that your dogwhistle refers to any nonbeliever, I don't see much working dmallind Nov 2012 #54

We can knock them down together or you can throw the baby out with the bathwater. cbayer Nov 2012 #60

You mean as you are doing, rejecting nonbelievers' concerns? trotsky Nov 2012 #64

IMHO, Obama's next four years will be a fabulous opportunity for rightwing preachers to dimbear Nov 2012 #80

IMO, what religious leaders want for the President is irrelevant. MineralMan Nov 2012 #81