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dmallind

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54. You think so? Knowing that your dogwhistle refers to any nonbeliever, I don't see much working

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:59 PM

Nov 2012

in the US at least. We've tried silence, we've tried reason, we've tried academic discourse, we've tried humor, we've tried shock-jock ridicule, and the good ol' Christian majoritarian machine keeps on crushing us everywhere in every aspect. About all I can ever dream of us at least holding back outright theocracy. A fair and rational body politic on belief issues is a laughable fantasy for centuries to come.

You DO know the meaning of random I am sure of it, so please reconsider why you would suggest a different result to mine.

Let me know if you want to rake that survey - I'll be there with bells on; I suspect my money is safe though.

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What do religious leaders want for Obama�s next four years? [View all] cbayer Nov 2012 OP

Do we care? MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #1

I care. I see the rise of the liberal/progressive religious leaders happening and cbayer Nov 2012 #3

That is a good point MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #12

Not going to happen, imo, but at least I can support the religious leaders who cbayer Nov 2012 #13

Why don't you think it will happen? MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #15

It may not be relevant to your world, but it remains highly relevant to many people's cbayer Nov 2012 #16

Quite true. MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #19

Some of the country's best and brightest are religious people... cbayer Nov 2012 #20

I would say that is a matter of opinion MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #24

We do disagree here on some points. cbayer Nov 2012 #29

I did say it was my opinion MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #32

Many believe that there are things that science will never explain. cbayer Nov 2012 #34

Many people also believe MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #40

We can share that laugh, then cbayer Nov 2012 #41

Indeed. MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #45

Like what, exactly? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #67

Two stories about intelligence and religion socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #33

There is no argument that "proves" religious beliefs. cbayer Nov 2012 #36

Example: A flaming chariot is not driven across the sky every day... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #47

Who wants to force someone's adherence to an unproven belief? cbayer Nov 2012 #48

I applaud your efforts, but cbayer refuses to accept the trend you outlined. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #25

Thanks MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #28

It's time we start following the lead of the Constitution with regard to the ladjf Nov 2012 #2

While not non-existent, there has been significant encroachment cbayer Nov 2012 #4

1. I said "all but non-existent" and 2. My comment about separation of Church and State ladjf Nov 2012 #18

Was just responding to you. Not nit picking, just making my own point. cbayer Nov 2012 #21

Have you seen "Gangs of New York"? rrneck Nov 2012 #53

I agree with your focus to the "defanging the religious right". However, I not at ladjf Nov 2012 #55

I am certain that they are better. Much, much better. cbayer Nov 2012 #59

OK. You aren't a "progressive/liberal religionists". nt ladjf Nov 2012 #61

Money. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #5

BS. Did you get past the headline? cbayer Nov 2012 #7

Well I know my congregation at, 'The House of Peace13' would like... peace13 Nov 2012 #6

I think a lot of progressive religious leaders would agree wholeheartedly cbayer Nov 2012 #8

Preserve religious FREEDOM socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #9

Well put. Freedom of and from religion both deserve focus. cbayer Nov 2012 #11

Depends on which religious leaders you're asking. The Southen Baptists want him to: trotsky Nov 2012 #10

Again: Imposing beliefs on others is not preserving freedom of conscience socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #14

Forcing others to provide tax dollars to fund programs to benefit "the least of these"... trotsky Nov 2012 #17

If you take the religion out of that sataement leaves you with this... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #22

False dilemma. trotsky Nov 2012 #23

Good point about combating poverty more effectively- socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #31

Afetrthought - I should specify -Religious beliefs socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #27

If only it were that simple. trotsky Nov 2012 #57

O.K., so here's a point socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #63

What if someone were to tell you that you can't eat that burger... trotsky Nov 2012 #66

Sure I should have the choice to eat it. socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #68

So let me get this clear: trotsky Nov 2012 #69

That's not what I said. socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #71

There's no need for personal insults. I assure you I am not stupid, nor do I have bad eyesight. trotsky Nov 2012 #72

You misunderstood my answers socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #73

Yes, I'm glad you finally answered the specific question I asked. trotsky Nov 2012 #74

Here is the specific question you asked... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #75

No, your answer to part 2 wasn't "yes." trotsky Nov 2012 #76

I knew Leon personally, you know socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #77

What you are saying now sounds a lot like "Look what you made me do!" trotsky Nov 2012 #78

Hey Trot - I'm sorry socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #79

Yes. rrneck Nov 2012 #26

My tribe? What tribe is that? cbayer Nov 2012 #30

Point taken. rrneck Nov 2012 #35

It would be fair to assume that I support progressive/liberal leaders and followers cbayer Nov 2012 #37

"Take it back" assumes the exercise of power. rrneck Nov 2012 #39

Yes, it does assume the exercise of power. cbayer Nov 2012 #42

Because "god wills it"? rrneck Nov 2012 #44

Lol. Those that believe in god and think they know god's will are contradictions to me. cbayer Nov 2012 #46

Yes, they're condradictions to you rrneck Nov 2012 #50

Can't disagree with that, but I still believe it is worthwhile to support the countervailing cbayer Nov 2012 #51

I have serious doubts about the continued efficacy rrneck Nov 2012 #56

As long as there are civil injustices there will, and probably should be, identity politics. cbayer Nov 2012 #58

The need for justice for women and minorities will never go away. rrneck Nov 2012 #62

Woosh, you are now starting to fly over my head. cbayer Nov 2012 #65

Always a pleasure. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #70

Most of them? His untimely death would be tops on their list. dmallind Nov 2012 #38

Sometimes hyperbole and exaggeration can be very telling. cbayer Nov 2012 #43

It's worked for the theocrats for decades yes dmallind Nov 2012 #49

It works for both theocrats and anti-theists. cbayer Nov 2012 #52

You think so? Knowing that your dogwhistle refers to any nonbeliever, I don't see much working dmallind Nov 2012 #54

We can knock them down together or you can throw the baby out with the bathwater. cbayer Nov 2012 #60

You mean as you are doing, rejecting nonbelievers' concerns? trotsky Nov 2012 #64

IMHO, Obama's next four years will be a fabulous opportunity for rightwing preachers to dimbear Nov 2012 #80

IMO, what religious leaders want for the President is irrelevant. MineralMan Nov 2012 #81