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In reply to the discussion: Atheism 101 Critical Thinking Class Exercise, by request! [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,323 posts)70. My 'ranting and raving' was achieved with no exclamation marks
whereas I suspect your key for that will have been worn blank, you use it so much.
What is 'bad faith' about that? I told you here you fall flat on your face with step #4. That's what I say in that A&A post. And, although I hadn't read the following when I posted what you quote, this does seem to confirm where you think you can take this flawed argument:
That reasonably translates to the proposal that man, despite the lack of evidence, had the power to originate the idea and that having such power must have originated the idea/concept by such power because there is no evidence of other alternatives to account for the origination of the idea/concept of God.
Some admit to it.
Others not so much.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=11419
Some admit to it.
Others not so much.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=11419
and:
You have implicitly indicated that you believe it to be true (i.e., that man was able to originate the idea and that man did originate the idea by the power of imagination and that it was not a result of reason and/or revelation).
I do NOT believe (A) implies (B), but you have made it rather clear, explicitly and/or implicitly, that you believe it to be true beyond the "proof"/"evidence" which you admit you do not have.
One the points of the exercise is to emphasize just such as you seem to want to emphasize: Atheists/Atheism implies the truth of the premises.
Atheists believe the premises to be true beyond the evidence.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=11427
I do NOT believe (A) implies (B), but you have made it rather clear, explicitly and/or implicitly, that you believe it to be true beyond the "proof"/"evidence" which you admit you do not have.
One the points of the exercise is to emphasize just such as you seem to want to emphasize: Atheists/Atheism implies the truth of the premises.
Atheists believe the premises to be true beyond the evidence.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=11427
Your claims that people are 'implicitly endorsing your analysis' are both ridiculous and rude. It's that rudeness and cavalier disregard for what others say so that you can smugly declare "victory!!!!" without having to bother understand anyone else's arguments that makes me predict your ultimate purpose for all this is "therefore - God".
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2 things and then I think I'm done with you if you don't actually respond to what I am saying
Goblinmonger
Nov 2012
#13
I disagree about step #2; it's where you 'step' outside formal logic
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2012
#19
I better warn you: when you get back to logic with step #4, you fall flat on your face
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2012
#21
Challenge accepted previously; still awaiting your anwers to your own questions!
RLBaty
Nov 2012
#98
Robert, your continued attempts to shirk your responsibilities in this dialog are upsetting!
trotsky
Nov 2012
#52
You have still not answered regarding reason/imagination but, from your original post,
intaglio
Nov 2012
#113
Highlight the difference in statemnts. Explain your use of reason/imagination
intaglio
Nov 2012
#115
I try to refuse to chase rabbits and be further distracted by anonymous snipers!
RLBaty
Nov 2012
#116
So, you are still unable to bring yourself to openly, honestly complete Step #1!
RLBaty
Nov 2012
#127
You ought to stop saying "sincerely", because it's obvious you're not (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2012
#74
Vic, how about coming out and helping out your folks here; they really, really need you!
RLBaty
Nov 2012
#67
Alas, another interloper who doesn't want to take the walk through the exercise...
RLBaty
Nov 2012
#118
I said that everything people think of is the product of their imagination
Anthony McCarthy
Nov 2012
#132
I say I'd rather not have arguments that bad that support my side in an argument
Anthony McCarthy
Nov 2012
#136
Wow. Another example that peddling stupidity is more than a Bible thumper's monopoly
Android3.14
Nov 2012
#131