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42. One of your better posts, humblebum,

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Sun Jan 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

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with a valid point quite clearly expressed.

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Irreverence isn't bigotry, because ideas and beliefs are not people. [View all] Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 OP

people take criticisms of their religion personally, which is why... Odin2005 Jan 2012 #1

I know, and it mystifies me... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #2

This used to stump me as well. deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #23

They may not deserve Dorian Gray Jan 2012 #3

I disagree. If an idea is unable to stand up to scrutiny but is still advocated, then disrespect cleanhippie Jan 2012 #5

If that is your idea and you advocate that idea, then consider your wish granted. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #6

Passive-aggressive bullshit. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #9

+ another 1 nt mr blur Jan 2012 #17

+ 1 nt mr blur Jan 2012 #15

Yes Dorian Gray Jan 2012 #28

Yes cleanhippie Jan 2012 #30

My point is that Dorian Gray Jan 2012 #33

Great, thanks for your input. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #34

You are very welcome. NT Dorian Gray Jan 2012 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2012 #94

I believe the point is what it always is: Iggo Jan 2012 #95

You have no right to not be offended. Right? humblebum Jan 2012 #29

There is a difference between criticism and libeling an entire group. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #96

Yes, I am very aware that not all atheists are communists. nt humblebum Jan 2012 #98

"Ideas and beliefs only merit respect if they can stand up under scrutiny" - Exactly! cleanhippie Jan 2012 #4

Human beings deserve respect for their actions, not their ideas. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #7

Where are these mythical "militant" atheists? Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #19

Show me how you act--whether you have compassion, a thirst for justice and peace---- Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #8

If someone shows irreverence toward someone's religion in the workplace, humblebum Jan 2012 #10

So you don't go around your workplace Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #11

Nor around here either. nt humblebum Jan 2012 #12

Uh huh. n/t Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #14

uh huh. nt humblebum Jan 2012 #16

And I have never heard of anhyone who does. Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #32

Honestly Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #36

Do you not remember our PM conversationon this very topic? laconicsax Jan 2012 #54

I don't think so, I'm lucky, at my work, I can show irreverence quite openly... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #21

I agree that usually within a group of people it's very common to kid around humblebum Jan 2012 #27

I have seen quite a bit of discussion about bigotry towards believers here recently cbayer Jan 2012 #13

I read the article and I don't see the bigotry... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #18

I read it and did. cbayer Jan 2012 #20

If I were to say that the Catholic Church is a homophobic, misogynistic organization... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #22

I completely agree with your distinction here. cbayer Jan 2012 #24

So you take quotes out of context to label him a bigot? How dishonest is that? Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #25

Again, I see those both as examples of bigotry. You don't. cbayer Jan 2012 #26

Beliefs are not exempt from mockery Ron Obvious Jan 2012 #31

Irreverence mocks people, because people are attached to their beliefs. It can be bigotry. kwassa Jan 2012 #37

The fact that they are attached to their beliefs is their problem... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #38

The mockers can be just as attached to their own bigoted beliefs. kwassa Jan 2012 #52

I consider atheism to be extremely narrow-minded, narrowly focused, and generally humblebum Jan 2012 #39

I'd love to see examples of this danger, so I can demolish them with evidence... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #40

The "positivist" method or "logical positivist" or 'logical empirical method", each of which humblebum Jan 2012 #41

One of your better posts, humblebum, tama Jan 2012 #42

You really are stuck on the whole "atheism equals communism" thing, aren't you? Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #43

Seriously, they don't. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #44

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If it is an act, I applaud the dedication to the trade. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #46

You have failed to "demolish" anything with evidence. And, nowhere did I state humblebum Jan 2012 #47

Something about this.... lazarus Jan 2012 #48

Tell me. Do you THINK you are an atheist? NT humblebum Jan 2012 #49

let's try this another way lazarus Jan 2012 #50

Let me have a guess tama Jan 2012 #51

I think you pretty much summed it up. Atheism, in general, is neutral, neither good nor bad. humblebum Jan 2012 #55

This just in! The Onion is a hate group! laconicsax Jan 2012 #56

I would say generally tama Jan 2012 #57

If you know, then you think, and yes, many atheists do humblebum Jan 2012 #53

atheism isn't a thinking process lazarus Jan 2012 #58

It is when it becomes the way you interpret the world around you. humblebum Jan 2012 #59

no matter much you insist it means what you say it means lazarus Jan 2012 #60

Lazarus, where you see contradiction, he sees confirmation. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #61

I've been reading this group a lot longer than i've been posting in it lazarus Jan 2012 #62

I think it's fairly obvious - mr blur Jan 2012 #63

And, don't you forget it either. Particularly obvious here. nt humblebum Jan 2012 #65

Did you mean to say oblivious? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #66

Never have denied that "Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods." That does not humblebum Jan 2012 #64

You are right about that, it is different in that atheist thought is reality-based. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #67

really? lazarus Jan 2012 #68

Here Lazarus, you can borrow mine. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #69

LOL lazarus Jan 2012 #70

Some magnificent spin there. But you will notice that I humblebum Jan 2012 #72

actually lazarus Jan 2012 #74

You are confusing yourself even more. Every one of my statements there reflects humblebum Jan 2012 #75

heh lazarus Jan 2012 #76

What a joke! humblebum Jan 2012 #77

heh lazarus Jan 2012 #78

You are doing nothing but arguing in circles, about a subject humblebum Jan 2012 #79

athiestic thought deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #80

By golly, you are on the ball! humblebum Jan 2012 #81

sarcasm lazarus Jan 2012 #82

"If we're not born atheist, how is it that some of us are born believing ... humblebum Jan 2012 #83

that doesn't make sense lazarus Jan 2012 #84

How does a baby "know" how to breath, or to suck on a nipple, or to cry? humblebum Jan 2012 #85

two statements, zero truth deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #86

I am not the one that said all atheists think alike. Never humblebum Jan 2012 #87

Also, where did I say that anyone was born with an active belief in anything? I only humblebum Jan 2012 #88

BTW. Just curious as to where you got this beauty? humblebum Jan 2012 #89

Instead of a Catholic Pope tama Jan 2012 #73

As a believer, irreverence doesn't bother me at all. ButterflyBlood Jan 2012 #71

Agreed. Deep13 Jan 2012 #90

What about tama Jan 2012 #91

I do not see how those ideas are any different. Deep13 Jan 2012 #92

I often wonder tama Jan 2012 #93

They imply a lack of understanding. Deep13 Jan 2012 #97