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Anthony McCarthy

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117. Good Lord, What a bunch of nonsenes

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:05 PM

Nov 2012

> IF (A) man was able to originate the
> idea/concept of God through the power
> of imagination, as opposed to reason
> and/or revelation,
>
> THEN (B) man did originate the
> idea/concept of God through the power
> of imagination.

There is not a single idea that "man" has that didn't originate in the mind of "man". Every single thing, including logic and mathematics and science and history originates in the imagination of "man". If this negates the idea of God then it also has to negate the idea of all of those other things. Every single one is based in the experience of people, every single idea we have is based in our experience. All of our address of even the physical world is not only based in but dependent on our experience of the physical world.

It's like atheists want to repeal the entire history of physics and philosophy after c. 1929. And a considerable amount of it in the two decades before that.

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There is only one "fundamental" to atheism Fumesucker Nov 2012 #5

You fail at the first step skepticscott Nov 2012 #6

This group is where this belongs. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #7

His logic is skepticscott Nov 2012 #41

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By this codswallop you think you can *teach* critical thinking? Really? dmallind Nov 2012 #9

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And you are refusing to do so. Prove me wrong and I will believe today. dmallind Nov 2012 #14

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Nuts and illiterate... dmallind Nov 2012 #22

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In other words you can't dmallind Nov 2012 #30

Dmallind, you are not passing your homework assignment! RLBaty Nov 2012 #31

Perhaps if you your to drop the arrogant, condescending bullshit... cleanhippie Nov 2012 #42

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Progressive Dog; thanks for adding to the demonstration of the need here! RLBaty Nov 2012 #106

2 things and then I think I'm done with you if you don't actually respond to what I am saying Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #13

Your arguments are based upon sand intaglio Nov 2012 #53

The scalpel of logic rrneck Nov 2012 #17

I disagree about step #2; it's where you 'step' outside formal logic muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #19

Who will admit to agreeing with muriel-volestrangler as to Step #1? RLBaty Nov 2012 #20

I better warn you: when you get back to logic with step #4, you fall flat on your face muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #21

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No. I do not agree to Step #1. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #26

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Here's my problem Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #32

Goblinmonder, someone recently said... RLBaty Nov 2012 #35

I think goblinmonGer expressed the problem well muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #59

this is one weird post. that is all Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #23

Methinks at some point one of the "t"s in his last name got lost. n/t trotsky Nov 2012 #25

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Ho! Ho! Ho! It appears Robert has misunderstood the point of this exercise! trotsky Nov 2012 #39

Trotsky, and your answer to your first Step #1 question is???? RLBaty Nov 2012 #40

Robert, I have also left a light on for you at the following site: trotsky Nov 2012 #46

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Robert, you have come here and issued a challenge! trotsky Nov 2012 #50

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What a shame, Robert! You conceded defeat! trotsky Nov 2012 #58

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Oh Robert, I have enjoyed this attempt to test your intellectual mettle! trotsky Nov 2012 #144

Nice exit strategy; too bad your unicorn came up lame! RLBaty Nov 2012 #145

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Robert, I shall, when you provide your answers! trotsky Nov 2012 #47

I prefer a level playing field, and it's not level! RLBaty Nov 2012 #49

Robert, your continued attempts to shirk your responsibilities in this dialog are upsetting! trotsky Nov 2012 #52

Muriel, keep this under wraps until we get to Step #4! RLBaty Nov 2012 #33

Trotsky, here we are with reference to your attempt to compete with unicorns! RLBaty Nov 2012 #55

CONGRATULATIONS! You win Irritating Halfwit Of The Month. mr blur Nov 2012 #56

I may have irritated some... RLBaty Nov 2012 #57

Dear Mr Baty, you do not argue in good faith intaglio Nov 2012 #60

Yes I do! RLBaty Nov 2012 #61

What foolishness you display intaglio Nov 2012 #68

Intaglio insists on demonstrating further bad faith! RLBaty Nov 2012 #69

In other words you cannot defend your choice of words intaglio Nov 2012 #71

I have defended them very well; thank you! RLBaty Nov 2012 #72

How? Explain your use of reason and imagination as antithetical intaglio Nov 2012 #94

Have you got your glasses on? RLBaty Nov 2012 #99

What consensus can be made about a false premise? intaglio Nov 2012 #105

The current consensus effort has to do with Step #1! RLBaty Nov 2012 #107

So you cannot defend yourself intaglio Nov 2012 #110

About that reading comprehension problem? RLBaty Nov 2012 #108

You have still not answered regarding reason/imagination but, from your original post, intaglio Nov 2012 #113

Step by reasonable step, intaglio! RLBaty Nov 2012 #114

Highlight the difference in statemnts. Explain your use of reason/imagination intaglio Nov 2012 #115

I try to refuse to chase rabbits and be further distracted by anonymous snipers! RLBaty Nov 2012 #116

The antecedent is not true therefore your usage is false. intaglio Nov 2012 #124

My argument cleared the first hurdle long ago; waiting for y'all to catch up! RLBaty Nov 2012 #125

You have falsely used the concepts in your antecedent intaglio Nov 2012 #126

So, you are still unable to bring yourself to openly, honestly complete Step #1! RLBaty Nov 2012 #127

You are not a teacher intaglio Nov 2012 #129

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"regarding the fundamentals of atheism" - that must mean that humblebum Nov 2012 #63

Tell us.. skepticscott Nov 2012 #64

Probably no more so than yourself. nt humblebum Nov 2012 #65

Muriel's ranting and raving! RLBaty Nov 2012 #66

My 'ranting and raving' was achieved with no exclamation marks muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #70

Muriel, you are neglecting using your moral influence on your fellows here! RLBaty Nov 2012 #73

You ought to stop saying "sincerely", because it's obvious you're not (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #74

I am sincere, and I am trying to enjoy the chat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RLBaty Nov 2012 #76

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Vic Stenger, running again? RLBaty Nov 2012 #120

This whole thread is full of fail! EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #75

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Cool story, bro... EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #79

this thread gets better and better Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #78

It's got one rec. Guess who. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #80

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... rrneck Nov 2012 #82

Feel better now?? RLBaty Nov 2012 #83

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The steps involved in my deductions? RLBaty Nov 2012 #85

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What conclusion is what? RLBaty Nov 2012 #87

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Still nothing. But you're very good st peekaboo. rrneck Nov 2012 #90

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Good Lord, What a bunch of nonsenes Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #117

Alas, another interloper who doesn't want to take the walk through the exercise... RLBaty Nov 2012 #118

If the first step is invalid, the rest of it is as well Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #119

And your problem with Step #1 is.....? RLBaty Nov 2012 #121

I stated it Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #122

No you did NOT, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #123

I said that everything people think of is the product of their imagination Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #132

You are just another problem student, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #134

I say I'd rather not have arguments that bad that support my side in an argument Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #136

It's a great argument, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #138

Everyone say "Hi" to Vic Stenger! RLBaty Nov 2012 #128

If this is supposed to refer to me Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #135

It doesn't, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #137

Wow. Another example that peddling stupidity is more than a Bible thumper's monopoly Android3.14 Nov 2012 #131

No misleading from this side of the monitor; much from your and yours sides! RLBaty Nov 2012 #133

What's the point? Android3.14 Nov 2012 #140

You should do a little homework, Android3.14! RLBaty Nov 2012 #141

My name up in lights again! RLBaty Nov 2012 #139

delusions of grandeur much? Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #147

LOL. Iggo Nov 2012 #149