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RLBaty

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133. No misleading from this side of the monitor; much from your and yours sides!

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:59 PM

Nov 2012

Oh, anonymous Adroid3.14,

Rather than whine, why not be explicit and simply take the first step successfully (maybe helping you fellow misguided sorts here catch up):

Step #1:

Do you believe the following argument is so
constructed that if its premises are true its
conclusion will follow as true therefrom
(i.e., that it is logically valid)?

MAJOR PREMISE:

> IF (A) man was able to originate the
> idea/concept of God through the power
> of imagination, as opposed to reason
> and/or revelation,
>
> THEN (B) man did originate the
> idea/concept of God through the power
> of imagination.

MINOR PREMISE:

> (A) Man was able to originate the
> idea/concept of God through the power
> of imagination, as opposed to reason
> and/or revelation.

CONCLUSION:

> (B) Man did originate the idea/concept
> of God through the power of imagination.

I say "yes"!

What sayeth the latest anonymous sniper using the ID of Android3.14?

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Atheism 101 Critical Thinking Class Exercise, by request! [View all] RLBaty Nov 2012 OP

Previous thread where your OP was taken to task: greyl Nov 2012 #1

Previous thread where your OP was LOCKED: defacto7 Nov 2012 #2

The conclusion does not follow because... Speck Tater Nov 2012 #3

Major premise intaglio Nov 2012 #4

There is only one "fundamental" to atheism Fumesucker Nov 2012 #5

You fail at the first step skepticscott Nov 2012 #6

This group is where this belongs. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #7

His logic is skepticscott Nov 2012 #41

Logic is R0ckyRac00n Nov 2012 #148

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #8

By this codswallop you think you can *teach* critical thinking? Really? dmallind Nov 2012 #9

They are learning all right; they are learning! RLBaty Nov 2012 #10

And you are refusing to do so. Prove me wrong and I will believe today. dmallind Nov 2012 #14

Modus ponens he adds! What a joke! dmallind Nov 2012 #11

Dmallind don't know modus ponens! RLBaty Nov 2012 #12

So you respond to someone and Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #15

Oh Christ this one's nuts, but for those who care to know dmallind Nov 2012 #16

Ho! Ho! Ho! I've got modus ponens right! Dmallind got it wrong! RLBaty Nov 2012 #18

Nuts and illiterate... dmallind Nov 2012 #22

Dmallind, try getting Muriel to explain it to you! RLBaty Nov 2012 #27

In other words you can't dmallind Nov 2012 #30

Dmallind, you are not passing your homework assignment! RLBaty Nov 2012 #31

Perhaps if you your to drop the arrogant, condescending bullshit... cleanhippie Nov 2012 #42

You cannot prove that something does not exist Progressive dog Nov 2012 #103

Progressive Dog; thanks for adding to the demonstration of the need here! RLBaty Nov 2012 #106

2 things and then I think I'm done with you if you don't actually respond to what I am saying Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #13

Your arguments are based upon sand intaglio Nov 2012 #53

The scalpel of logic rrneck Nov 2012 #17

I disagree about step #2; it's where you 'step' outside formal logic muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #19

Who will admit to agreeing with muriel-volestrangler as to Step #1? RLBaty Nov 2012 #20

I better warn you: when you get back to logic with step #4, you fall flat on your face muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #21

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #24

No. I do not agree to Step #1. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #26

OK, I guess we got more work to do on Step #1, Goblinmonder RLBaty Nov 2012 #28

Here's my problem Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #32

Goblinmonder, someone recently said... RLBaty Nov 2012 #35

I think goblinmonGer expressed the problem well muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #59

this is one weird post. that is all Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #23

Methinks at some point one of the "t"s in his last name got lost. n/t trotsky Nov 2012 #25

Trotsky, that's a common proposition! RLBaty Nov 2012 #29

Ho! Ho! Ho! trotsky Nov 2012 #34

Trotsky, maybe we can run yours and mine concurrently! RLBaty Nov 2012 #36

Robert, Ho! Ho! Ho! Yes, let us do that! trotsky Nov 2012 #37

OK, let's get started! RLBaty Nov 2012 #38

Ho! Ho! Ho! It appears Robert has misunderstood the point of this exercise! trotsky Nov 2012 #39

Trotsky, and your answer to your first Step #1 question is???? RLBaty Nov 2012 #40

Robert, I have also left a light on for you at the following site: trotsky Nov 2012 #46

Trotsky, you are the one behind in the good faith demonstration! RLBaty Nov 2012 #48

Robert, you have come here and issued a challenge! trotsky Nov 2012 #50

Trotsky, you've got that all wrong! RLBaty Nov 2012 #51

No, Robert, you are the one who is wrong! trotsky Nov 2012 #54

What a shame, Robert! You conceded defeat! trotsky Nov 2012 #58

No shame on this side of the monitor, Trotsky! RLBaty Nov 2012 #62

Fare thee well, Robert! trotsky Nov 2012 #95

Challenge accepted previously; still awaiting your anwers to your own questions! RLBaty Nov 2012 #98

Ho! Ho! Ho! Robert, you are a treasure! trotsky Nov 2012 #142

Trotsky continues his Terry W. Benton impersonation! I noticed, Trotsky! RLBaty Nov 2012 #143

Oh Robert, I have enjoyed this attempt to test your intellectual mettle! trotsky Nov 2012 #144

Nice exit strategy; too bad your unicorn came up lame! RLBaty Nov 2012 #145

Don't forget, Trotsky, points and purposes can be elusive! RLBaty Nov 2012 #43

I assure you, Robert, I will not forget! Ho! Ho! Ho! trotsky Nov 2012 #44

Trotsky, so get started already! RLBaty Nov 2012 #45

Robert, I shall, when you provide your answers! trotsky Nov 2012 #47

I prefer a level playing field, and it's not level! RLBaty Nov 2012 #49

Robert, your continued attempts to shirk your responsibilities in this dialog are upsetting! trotsky Nov 2012 #52

Muriel, keep this under wraps until we get to Step #4! RLBaty Nov 2012 #33

Trotsky, here we are with reference to your attempt to compete with unicorns! RLBaty Nov 2012 #55

CONGRATULATIONS! You win Irritating Halfwit Of The Month. mr blur Nov 2012 #56

I may have irritated some... RLBaty Nov 2012 #57

Dear Mr Baty, you do not argue in good faith intaglio Nov 2012 #60

Yes I do! RLBaty Nov 2012 #61

What foolishness you display intaglio Nov 2012 #68

Intaglio insists on demonstrating further bad faith! RLBaty Nov 2012 #69

In other words you cannot defend your choice of words intaglio Nov 2012 #71

I have defended them very well; thank you! RLBaty Nov 2012 #72

How? Explain your use of reason and imagination as antithetical intaglio Nov 2012 #94

Have you got your glasses on? RLBaty Nov 2012 #99

What consensus can be made about a false premise? intaglio Nov 2012 #105

The current consensus effort has to do with Step #1! RLBaty Nov 2012 #107

So you cannot defend yourself intaglio Nov 2012 #110

About that reading comprehension problem? RLBaty Nov 2012 #108

You have still not answered regarding reason/imagination but, from your original post, intaglio Nov 2012 #113

Step by reasonable step, intaglio! RLBaty Nov 2012 #114

Highlight the difference in statemnts. Explain your use of reason/imagination intaglio Nov 2012 #115

I try to refuse to chase rabbits and be further distracted by anonymous snipers! RLBaty Nov 2012 #116

The antecedent is not true therefore your usage is false. intaglio Nov 2012 #124

My argument cleared the first hurdle long ago; waiting for y'all to catch up! RLBaty Nov 2012 #125

You have falsely used the concepts in your antecedent intaglio Nov 2012 #126

So, you are still unable to bring yourself to openly, honestly complete Step #1! RLBaty Nov 2012 #127

You are not a teacher intaglio Nov 2012 #129

Oh, I've taught y'all alright; that makes me a teacher! RLBaty Nov 2012 #130

"regarding the fundamentals of atheism" - that must mean that humblebum Nov 2012 #63

Tell us.. skepticscott Nov 2012 #64

Probably no more so than yourself. nt humblebum Nov 2012 #65

Muriel's ranting and raving! RLBaty Nov 2012 #66

My 'ranting and raving' was achieved with no exclamation marks muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #70

Muriel, you are neglecting using your moral influence on your fellows here! RLBaty Nov 2012 #73

You ought to stop saying "sincerely", because it's obvious you're not (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #74

I am sincere, and I am trying to enjoy the chat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RLBaty Nov 2012 #76

Vic, how about coming out and helping out your folks here; they really, really need you! RLBaty Nov 2012 #67

This just in from the Huffington Post! RLBaty Nov 2012 #93

Vic Stenger, running again? RLBaty Nov 2012 #120

This whole thread is full of fail! EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #75

Except for me; "I'm winnnnnnnnnning"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RLBaty Nov 2012 #77

Cool story, bro... EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #79

this thread gets better and better Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #78

It's got one rec. Guess who. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #80

Would that be me? Did I hit that button? RLBaty Nov 2012 #81

... rrneck Nov 2012 #82

Feel better now?? RLBaty Nov 2012 #83

Very impressive. rrneck Nov 2012 #84

The steps involved in my deductions? RLBaty Nov 2012 #85

What conclusion is that? nt rrneck Nov 2012 #86

What conclusion is what? RLBaty Nov 2012 #87

So you got nothing. rrneck Nov 2012 #88

So, you are still stuck on Step #1 of the exercise! RLBaty Nov 2012 #89

Still nothing. But you're very good st peekaboo. rrneck Nov 2012 #90

Put on your glasses when you get up tomorrow! RLBaty Nov 2012 #91

Still nothing. You have nothing to prove. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #104

Of course I have nothing to prove! RLBaty Nov 2012 #109

The only advasaries you have rrneck Nov 2012 #112

Statistics! RLBaty Nov 2012 #92

like a train wreck i just cant stop watching Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #97

Funny thing appears to have happened with the statistical page! RLBaty Nov 2012 #100

And I just put us over the 1,000 views milestone! RLBaty Nov 2012 #101

145 Replies - 1500 Views! RLBaty Nov 2012 #146

This thread Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #96

It's given me.... RLBaty Nov 2012 #102

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #111

Good Lord, What a bunch of nonsenes Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #117

Alas, another interloper who doesn't want to take the walk through the exercise... RLBaty Nov 2012 #118

If the first step is invalid, the rest of it is as well Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #119

And your problem with Step #1 is.....? RLBaty Nov 2012 #121

I stated it Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #122

No you did NOT, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #123

I said that everything people think of is the product of their imagination Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #132

You are just another problem student, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #134

I say I'd rather not have arguments that bad that support my side in an argument Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #136

It's a great argument, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #138

Everyone say "Hi" to Vic Stenger! RLBaty Nov 2012 #128

If this is supposed to refer to me Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #135

It doesn't, Anthony! RLBaty Nov 2012 #137

Wow. Another example that peddling stupidity is more than a Bible thumper's monopoly Android3.14 Nov 2012 #131

No misleading from this side of the monitor; much from your and yours sides! RLBaty Nov 2012 #133

What's the point? Android3.14 Nov 2012 #140

You should do a little homework, Android3.14! RLBaty Nov 2012 #141

My name up in lights again! RLBaty Nov 2012 #139

delusions of grandeur much? Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #147

LOL. Iggo Nov 2012 #149