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dimbear

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15. Dr. Harris presents a persuasive case. Sure to be well received here.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:22 PM
Nov 2012

We're all open to a well wrought argument.

"religious moderate" is an oxymoran. aletier_v Nov 2012 #1
Perhaps, but that does not open dialogue with moderates here on DU. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #2
sometimes there is no point in "dialog" aletier_v Nov 2012 #10
So what would be point in commenting at all then? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #19
Excerpt from "The End of Faith" longship Nov 2012 #3
I recently read The Moral Landscape. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #4
IMHO, this is one of the most important points to discuss. trotsky Nov 2012 #5
I do know that, trotsky, but I will continue to try. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #6
If you legitimize these "other ways of knowing," there's no mechanism to determine which "other way" humblebum Nov 2012 #17
Your posts are always great for a laugh. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #20
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I think it has already been acknowledged that you and I disagree on what constitutes knowledge. humblebum Dec 2012 #85
Why Stop At Religion? Lacipyt Dec 2012 #73
Hopefully your post will be food for thought. Leontius Dec 2012 #74
Because only religion seeks to justify claims using "other ways of knowing." trotsky Dec 2012 #98
No. Actually law, art, entertainment, psychology, cooking, etc. utilize other ways of knowing. humblebum Dec 2012 #99
What does that mean? prefunk Dec 2012 #100
An epistemology that arrives at a conclusion utilizing evidence that is less than totally humblebum Dec 2012 #101
If something is not 100% objective, how can one be assured that the conclusion is correct? prefunk Dec 2012 #102
Sorry man, you are participating in an exercise in futility. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #103
Sure. I'll try. Generally the only disciplines that are considered any produce knowledge to the humblebum Dec 2012 #106
No. Not Only Religion Lacipyt Dec 2012 #107
I see the point you're missing. trotsky Dec 2012 #108
Not So Simple Lacipyt Dec 2012 #109
I see that Baxter didn't bring god into the equation either. trotsky Dec 2012 #110
You Are Welcome Lacipyt Dec 2012 #112
I'm not really interested in playing a game with you. trotsky Dec 2012 #113
Three Things Lacipyt Dec 2012 #114
Three replies, and a challenge. trotsky Dec 2012 #115
Okay Lacipyt Dec 2012 #117
Since you have proven yourself unwilling (or unable) to give up the straw men, trotsky Dec 2012 #118
Ay Caramba Lacipyt Dec 2012 #119
"But god is still being used to support horrible atrocities - all the time." humblebum Dec 2012 #111
Is this the same Sam Harris that considers the elimination of religion more important than the rug Nov 2012 #7
Great way to start the discussion, where to first Leontius Nov 2012 #8
The problem is and has always been humanity, as is evidenced by the massive numbers killed humblebum Nov 2012 #9
Lie, misleading and self-contradictory skepticscott Nov 2012 #11
The usual smokescreen and spin. humblebum Nov 2012 #16
Well let's be fair, Leontius Nov 2012 #12
It would have been useful if Mr. Harris told the reader LARED Nov 2012 #13
Amazing how anyone can think starting with, Leontius Nov 2012 #66
Sam Harris, the torture apologist? CrawlingChaos Nov 2012 #14
Dr. Harris presents a persuasive case. Sure to be well received here. dimbear Nov 2012 #15
Perhaps you can tell me why this is such a persuasive and well wrought argument LARED Nov 2012 #18
Harris' arguments are always framed within a very narrow epistemology humblebum Nov 2012 #21
And what is that skepticscott Nov 2012 #24
It's pretty evident that you already know the answer. By your response humblebum Nov 2012 #26
No, I'll respond by pointing out yet again skepticscott Nov 2012 #34
Um, Yeh. other ways of knowing has been discussed and referenced here for a very long time. humblebum Nov 2012 #35
Every time you repeat the same empty claim skepticscott Nov 2012 #36
I asked you a very direct question, and you only evade. humblebum Nov 2012 #37
No link, no evidence skepticscott Nov 2012 #38
That what I thought. You are well aware that we have had these discussions before and humblebum Nov 2012 #40
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Pleading ignorance tama Dec 2012 #80
I've stated the kinds of discussions I've taken part in skepticscott Dec 2012 #87
OK tama Dec 2012 #89
And he will go on making such claims. However there is evidence to the contrary that goes back humblebum Dec 2012 #90
From your link tama Dec 2012 #91
Little google tama Dec 2012 #92
As stated many times skepticscott Dec 2012 #94
And again, your concept of "knowing" is not shared by everyone, to say the least. humblebum Dec 2012 #95
AS I recall, you claimed that no examples of other ways of knowing had ever been demonstrated. humblebum Dec 2012 #96
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Scott tama Dec 2012 #97
In all honesty, it's a matter of personal judgment. Those who approach with an open mind, dimbear Nov 2012 #22
Two things LARED Nov 2012 #23
For the same reason that I'm not penning a precis of the Gettysburg Address, I'm not rewriting dimbear Nov 2012 #27
No one asked you to provide a precis of the article or Harris LARED Nov 2012 #28
Thank you for your considered reply. dimbear Nov 2012 #29
So permit me to ask as you seem to LARED Nov 2012 #30
Harris is addressing liberal religionists, he is trying to convince them to stop dimbear Nov 2012 #31
I thought Harris was addressing religious moderates????? LARED Nov 2012 #32
Yes, better term. Just because I see them as the same thing doesn't mean dimbear Nov 2012 #33
Offending words(?) tama Dec 2012 #82
You make an interesting and deep point. dimbear Dec 2012 #83
No problem tama Dec 2012 #84
There are fora available right here on DU where Christians don't run into criticism from seculars. dimbear Dec 2012 #86
Is that all you do? tama Dec 2012 #88
A flawed and slanted view of the state of nonliteralist religious thought is not Leontius Nov 2012 #25
Interesting read. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #39
The mind of Mr Harris covers almost every topic, like a wide shallow puddle struggle4progress Nov 2012 #41
"Imagine" (says Mr Harris to us) "that we could revive a well-educated Christian struggle4progress Nov 2012 #42
I'm sure Mr Harris is speaking of the common man, not.. JKingman Nov 2012 #43
Reread the quote: Harris imagines "a well-educated Christian of the fourteenth century" struggle4progress Nov 2012 #45
What constituted "well educated" in the fourteenth century? JKingman Nov 2012 #46
I personally do not consider it surprising that the knowledge available today struggle4progress Nov 2012 #49
"Perhaps we ought to be surprised instead where we do not find significant advances" cleanhippie Nov 2012 #69
You and I have so few productive conversations because we cannot even agree about exactly struggle4progress Nov 2012 #71
Then lets agree about exactly what we are discussing. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #72
Your tactic here is woefully predictable. trotsky Nov 2012 #50
Seven links so far from me, zero from you. Have a nice day! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #51
That's because this isn't a Google contest. trotsky Nov 2012 #52
It is a somewhat pointless comparision LARED Nov 2012 #54
No, I mean anything that could be considered progress or advancement. trotsky Nov 2012 #58
Our Christian might well have thought the earth round, but it would have been a matter of faith to dimbear Nov 2012 #53
St. Vergil of Salzburg struggle4progress Nov 2012 #55
"Cecco D'Ascoli, is the adopted name of Francis, or Francesco Stabili; a native of Ascoli, struggle4progress Nov 2012 #56
Of course, the execution of Cecco D'Ascoli is quite disgusting and pointless struggle4progress Nov 2012 #57
Mr Harris thinks a fourteenth century man today "would be considered a fool to think ... struggle4progress Nov 2012 #44
Explain to us the fourteenth century concept of .. JKingman Nov 2012 #47
One ought to begin with the facts and proceed thence to the analysis, whereas struggle4progress Nov 2012 #48
Mr. Harris' first mistake okasha Dec 2012 #116
Just for reference purposes, Dr. Harris received his Ph.D. in neuroscience from Stanford in 2009. dimbear Nov 2012 #59
For reference only; you posted a fallacious appeal to authority. nt LARED Nov 2012 #60
For further reference, dimbear didn't claim the argument was true BECAUSE of Harris' credentials. trotsky Nov 2012 #61
For even further reference, dimbear does hold the view that LARED Nov 2012 #62
And yet he still didn't claim that because of Harris' education, his argument is true. trotsky Nov 2012 #63
So why post his education then, LARED Nov 2012 #64
Why? Because some people are in favor of KNOWLEDGE about JKingman Nov 2012 #65
Well you might be right LARED Nov 2012 #67
I believe everything I read on the internet. JKingman Nov 2012 #68
I mention Dr. Harris' degrees because I believe in courtesy to living authors, in general. dimbear Nov 2012 #70
Drat that nasty old Constitution! okasha Dec 2012 #75
The problem of state apologists tama Dec 2012 #78
The thing is, though... LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #79
Indeed tama Dec 2012 #81
I'm a religious Liberal and not sure if this is aimed at me 4_TN_TITANS Dec 2012 #104
You are 100% correct about that. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #105
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