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In reply to the discussion: The Problem with Religious Moderates [View all]struggle4progress
(118,039 posts)44. Mr Harris thinks a fourteenth century man today "would be considered a fool to think ...
that trepanning constitutes a wise medical intervention"
Emergency Department Skull Trephination for Epidural Hematoma in Patients Who Are Awake But Deteriorate Rapidly.
Journal of Emergency Medicine, 2009
... In T&D patients with CT-proven EDH and anisocoria, ED skull trephination before transfer resulted in uniformly good outcomes without complications.
http://www.tripdatabase.com/doc/930106-Emergency-Department-Skull-Trephination-for-Epidural-Hematoma-in-Patients-Who-Are-Awake-But-Deteriorate#content
Zentralbl Neurochir. 2001 Feb;62(1):10-4.
Trepanations from the early medieval period of southwestern Germany--indications, complications and outcome.
Weber J, Czarnetzki A.
Department of Neurosurgery, Leopoldina Hospital, Schweinfurt.
Abstract
Of the 384 skulls from the early medieval period, 8 (2.1%) exhibited trepanations. Three skulls showed trepanations in the proximity of fractures. One case of infection after borrhole trepanation that resulted in death is identifiable. Seven skulls showed clear evidence of healing and survival after trepanation. The mortality and infection rates for trepanation were low during the 6th to 8th centuries in southwestern Germany.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11496341
Two Trepanned Skulls from the Middles Ages Are Found in Soria, Spain
ScienceDaily (May 9, 2012) Two skulls with perforations have been exhumed in the area of Gormaz in Soria, Spain by researchers from the universities of Oviedo and Leon. They have been dated from the 13th and 14th centuries -- a period in which trepanation was not commonly practiced ... "As of the Bronze Age, cases of trepanation are common throughout Europe, mainly in the Mediterranean Basin. In the Iberian Peninsula there are many cases that have been dated back to the Copper Age some 4,000 years ago. However, our scientific literature lacks much more in the description of trepanation during the Middle Ages," explained Belén López Martínez, researcher and the University of Oviedo and co-author of the study ... The trepanation technique differs in each of the skulls. The skull of the male has been grooved with a sharp object and it is unknown whether trepanation occurred before or after his death. López Martínez confirms that "if the procedure took place whilst still alive, there is no sign of regeneration and the subject did not survive." In the woman, a scraping technique was used while she was still alive. According to the researchers, she survived for a "relatively long" amount of time afterwards given that the wound scarring is advanced ...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120509092522.htm
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If you legitimize these "other ways of knowing," there's no mechanism to determine which "other way"
humblebum
Nov 2012
#17
I think it has already been acknowledged that you and I disagree on what constitutes knowledge.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#85
No. Actually law, art, entertainment, psychology, cooking, etc. utilize other ways of knowing.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#99
An epistemology that arrives at a conclusion utilizing evidence that is less than totally
humblebum
Dec 2012
#101
If something is not 100% objective, how can one be assured that the conclusion is correct?
prefunk
Dec 2012
#102
Sure. I'll try. Generally the only disciplines that are considered any produce knowledge to the
humblebum
Dec 2012
#106
Since you have proven yourself unwilling (or unable) to give up the straw men,
trotsky
Dec 2012
#118
"But god is still being used to support horrible atrocities - all the time."
humblebum
Dec 2012
#111
Is this the same Sam Harris that considers the elimination of religion more important than the
rug
Nov 2012
#7
The problem is and has always been humanity, as is evidenced by the massive numbers killed
humblebum
Nov 2012
#9
Um, Yeh. other ways of knowing has been discussed and referenced here for a very long time.
humblebum
Nov 2012
#35
That what I thought. You are well aware that we have had these discussions before and
humblebum
Nov 2012
#40
And he will go on making such claims. However there is evidence to the contrary that goes back
humblebum
Dec 2012
#90
And again, your concept of "knowing" is not shared by everyone, to say the least.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#95
AS I recall, you claimed that no examples of other ways of knowing had ever been demonstrated.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#96
In all honesty, it's a matter of personal judgment. Those who approach with an open mind,
dimbear
Nov 2012
#22
For the same reason that I'm not penning a precis of the Gettysburg Address, I'm not rewriting
dimbear
Nov 2012
#27
Harris is addressing liberal religionists, he is trying to convince them to stop
dimbear
Nov 2012
#31
There are fora available right here on DU where Christians don't run into criticism from seculars.
dimbear
Dec 2012
#86
A flawed and slanted view of the state of nonliteralist religious thought is not
Leontius
Nov 2012
#25
The mind of Mr Harris covers almost every topic, like a wide shallow puddle
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#41
"Imagine" (says Mr Harris to us) "that we could revive a well-educated Christian
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#42
Reread the quote: Harris imagines "a well-educated Christian of the fourteenth century"
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#45
I personally do not consider it surprising that the knowledge available today
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#49
"Perhaps we ought to be surprised instead where we do not find significant advances"
cleanhippie
Nov 2012
#69
You and I have so few productive conversations because we cannot even agree about exactly
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#71
Our Christian might well have thought the earth round, but it would have been a matter of faith to
dimbear
Nov 2012
#53
"Cecco D'Ascoli, is the adopted name of Francis, or Francesco Stabili; a native of Ascoli,
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#56
Of course, the execution of Cecco D'Ascoli is quite disgusting and pointless
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#57
Mr Harris thinks a fourteenth century man today "would be considered a fool to think ...
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#44
One ought to begin with the facts and proceed thence to the analysis, whereas
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#48
Just for reference purposes, Dr. Harris received his Ph.D. in neuroscience from Stanford in 2009.
dimbear
Nov 2012
#59
For further reference, dimbear didn't claim the argument was true BECAUSE of Harris' credentials.
trotsky
Nov 2012
#61
And yet he still didn't claim that because of Harris' education, his argument is true.
trotsky
Nov 2012
#63