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kwassa

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94. African belief in witchcraft preceeded Christianity
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:58 PM
Nov 2012

this is revealed in several of the links you have posted.

and from you last link about Rwanda:

First, it cannot be assumed that the Christian faith is taught in such a way as to emphasize love of neighbor (all neighbors) and respect for human life. No agency on earth has ever been able to control what is actually taught in a local church on a given Sunday morning. A variety of bastardized versions of the Christian message, including hateful ones, have been and continue to be communicated in congregations all over the world. This is true both in churches where authoritative (and sometimes authoritarian) church hierarchies supposedly have great power to control what happens in the local church, and in decentralized communions in which the local minister has the final say. Either way, the teaching of the Christian churches lands all over the map, from richly faithful to blandly mediocre to dreadfully immoral.

Second, it cannot be assumed that the people gathered to hear the Word proclaimed and to participate in the sacraments are serious about the Christian faith. People come to church for a wide variety of reasons. They bring widely varying levels of receptivity to the truth that leaders communicate from the pulpit and the altar. They bring widely varying moral and spiritual capacities. Jesus himself said that the seed of the gospel is scattered on all different kinds of ground; only one of the four kinds of soil that he mentions has the quality needed for fruitfulness (Mark 4). In light of Auschwitz and Rwanda, that sounds about right. Narrow is the road that leads to salvation; few there are who enter it.

Third, it cannot be assumed that all of the self-identified Christian people (baptized, born-again, converted, members -- whatever criteria or name you want to use) gathered in these churches are subject to the influence of the Holy Spirit. I cannot believe that what the Bible says about the work of the Spirit of God is erroneous. But what must be admitted is that there is quite a gap between the list of "Christians" on church rolls or in church pews and the much smaller list of Christians in whom the Spirit of God is working.


I completely agree with this.

and on Catholic Relief Services:

Ken Hackett, president of Catholic Relief Services, said, "The employees of Catholic Relief Services do not proselytize--ever--period. We are organizationally inspired by our faith. But we let our actions do the talking."


http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3048

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What was the last boycott that worked? rug Nov 2012 #1
If everybody left the Catholic Church Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #2
It isn't isn't as politically liberal as he would probably like to think. mr blur Nov 2012 #3
So unlike the peace-loving Ulster Defense Force Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #12
I didn't ask for an extremely unlikely hypothetical. rug Nov 2012 #7
It might not getthem to change, but it would mean you're not supporting a filthy organization ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #4
A "filthy organization"? rug Nov 2012 #8
Not only.. jamtoday Nov 2012 #10
you'll discover that ruggie skepticscott Nov 2012 #11
Hi skepticscott. jamtoday Nov 2012 #15
Don't mind scottie. He's still smarting. rug Nov 2012 #18
As predicted skepticscott Nov 2012 #31
Yes, you are quite predictable. rug Nov 2012 #34
passive-aggressive snark. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #68
Actually your post is a fine example of passive-agressivion. rug Nov 2012 #76
I do understand though why that play appeals to you. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #82
I'd use another word. rug Nov 2012 #83
It's not hard to pick aberrations out of a two thousand year history. rug Nov 2012 #13
What relevance... jamtoday Nov 2012 #14
This is the relevance. rug Nov 2012 #17
I thought I would avoid jamtoday Nov 2012 #19
You did avoid the question. rug Nov 2012 #21
Comprehension 101 jamtoday Nov 2012 #24
The bigotry is assuming the whole organization is composed of 'criminals, charlatans and fraudsters' rug Nov 2012 #29
ruggie likes to employ skepticscott Nov 2012 #32
scottie likes to make oblique posts to DUers that are directed against other DUers. rug Nov 2012 #36
Remember, the dark ages were called as such Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #35
I think perhaps jamtoday Nov 2012 #45
A true unbiased scholar of the highest order. rug Nov 2012 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author jamtoday Nov 2012 #48
Have you honestly jamtoday Nov 2012 #50
I particularly enjoyed chapter 5 of "How The Pope Of Peace Traded In Blood". rug Nov 2012 #51
Pacelli jamtoday Nov 2012 #59
Pius XII in particular and the RCC in general are ripe for criticism. rug Nov 2012 #62
If you're referring jamtoday Nov 2012 #89
Then you'll love Jack Chick. rug Nov 2012 #90
Proud to say I once managed to read nearly 5 panels of one of the epics on the site lol. N/T jamtoday Nov 2012 #91
The OP gives great examples of it ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #41
What religion did you join. rug Nov 2012 #43
I go to a non-denominational church now ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #67
Were you originally Catholic then? rug Nov 2012 #72
I was baptized the first time and confirmed that way ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #92
That's an interesting perspective. rug Nov 2012 #96
As a citizen of this country, you do assist in getting Republicans elected. LuvLoogie Nov 2012 #55
That's why I haven't checked that box for matching funds since Obama declined them ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #63
Susan G. Komen foundation Laochtine Nov 2012 #61
Thanx for the post cleanhippie, EvilAL Nov 2012 #5
Your welcome. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #6
Here is a whole page full of successful boycotts. It only goes up to 2010, dimbear Nov 2012 #9
and reasons to support the Catholic Church kwassa Nov 2012 #16
60% jamtoday Nov 2012 #20
Oh, are you now claiming that Catholic Charities is in reality a for-profit organization? rug Nov 2012 #22
Have any real thoughts jamtoday Nov 2012 #23
You hypothesized a profit, but have not proven any such thing. kwassa Nov 2012 #25
The Vatican is considered jamtoday Nov 2012 #42
I thought you were refering to the American church when you were calling it a corrupt business. kwassa Nov 2012 #66
On witchcraft jamtoday Nov 2012 #88
African belief in witchcraft preceeded Christianity kwassa Nov 2012 #94
However jamtoday Nov 2012 #95
Yes, I have a thought. rug Nov 2012 #30
My word jamtoday Nov 2012 #39
No need. rug Nov 2012 #44
Whereas jamtoday Nov 2012 #47
Another "us". rug Nov 2012 #49
whoosh! LuvLoogie Nov 2012 #57
Third person jamtoday Nov 2012 #58
And voila skepticscott Nov 2012 #33
See #36. rug Nov 2012 #37
Ha ha ha, so it would appear n/t jamtoday Nov 2012 #40
Catholic Charities is in reality a for-profit organization AlbertCat Nov 2012 #70
Mmmm, who else repeats the post as a reply? rug Nov 2012 #71
Surprised you overlooked this... Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #28
I didn't overlook anything. kwassa Nov 2012 #38
The things that some get away with while being protected in the name of religion is amazing. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26
It isn't easy to let logic guide you out of the church you were born into. Sometimes dimbear Nov 2012 #27
What other religions have you suggested boycotting? pnwmom Nov 2012 #52
Is that rhetorical or are you asking me for my opinion? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #73
Where is an OP where you have singled out another religion for boycotting? pnwmom Nov 2012 #75
Do you realize that it is an article? I'm not the author. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #77
I am a Christian and I was raised Catholic, and I agree with the article ButterflyBlood Nov 2012 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamPooka Nov 2012 #53
The government makes the laws in Ireland, and the government must change them. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #54
I can give you 50 reasons to boycott any religion on the planet Xithras Nov 2012 #56
OK. Start with the Shakers. dimbear Nov 2012 #60
Very well put. n/t trotsky Nov 2012 #64
Ooh. Shakers. That's mean. Xithras Nov 2012 #65
One reason to boycott your hate filled posts Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #69
Ok lookie, another passive-aggressive taunt from starboard tack. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #74
When last we saw your noble self around these parts... trotsky Nov 2012 #78
Self-righteous bigots are the worst. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #79
Couldn't resist, could you Trottles? I see you still support his bigotted posts. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #81
As noted, your ability to judge bigotry is in serious doubt. trotsky Nov 2012 #84
Bring up a topic from another forum... rexcat Nov 2012 #85
Rummaging around in safe havens to find material to use elsewhere... trotsky Nov 2012 #86
Fuck the catholic Church! lyingsackofmitt Nov 2012 #80
Lol rug Nov 2012 #87
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