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cbayer

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105. They are breaking no laws here.

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:13 PM

Nov 2012

There is freedom of religion and freedom from religion. This violates neither, and that's the way it should be.

If they FFRF had a case here, they would have made it, which leads me to think they have analyzed it and found no cause to take action. Were people being forced to attend this or if it were being held in a public area that others could not avoid, they would have a very strong case indeed and I would fully support them.

Should practicing Muslims and Jews have to leave work multiple times a day to pray? Should anyone be prohibited from exercising their religion if it does not impose on others? That would be a violation of their religious freedom, something guarantied to them in this country.

BTW, I just found out that Britain has nothing similar to the first amendment. This has caused some serious concerns about freedom of the press. What do you think will happen with that?

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Ray Giunta, Discredited Pastor, No Longer Appearing At Pentagon Prayer Breakfast [View all] cbayer Nov 2012 OP

Why in the FUCK is the Pentagon having a prayer breakfast? MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #1

Religion has a big grip on the military and always has. lalalu Nov 2012 #2

"nothing but" please cite your source for that or accept the possible fact that you are as bigoted patrice Nov 2012 #5

My source? LOL lalalu Nov 2012 #6

What you "cite" is not the sum and total of religion. You are characterizing billions of people on patrice Nov 2012 #8

Religion has been a dividing force and lalalu Nov 2012 #9

You didn't answer my question; isn't it stupid to lump the guilty in with the innocent? nt patrice Nov 2012 #13

I answered it. lalalu Nov 2012 #17

And the definition of stupid here would be anything that damages one's putative goals. nt patrice Nov 2012 #14

Fundamentalist dogma is fundamentalist dogma, whether cbayer Nov 2012 #10

Yes, rejecting the fairy tales and hypocrisy of lalalu Nov 2012 #11

Your posts are VERY formulaic. Don't your templates include enough variations. Try a thesaurus & patrice Nov 2012 #15

The facts are always formulaic. They follow a basic line of truth. lalalu Nov 2012 #16

Oh! my dear, they most certainly are NOT. Anyone who understands what science really is patrice Nov 2012 #18

They are only contextual to people trying to deny facts. lalalu Nov 2012 #20

You are only displaying what is either bigotry or ignorance. I sure hope that avatar isn't Minerva.. patrice Nov 2012 #23

My friend, the facts are that more people have been murdered under atheistic dictators, humblebum Nov 2012 #25

Not true. ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2012 #26

Absolutely true. humblebum Nov 2012 #27

Absolutely false AlbertCat Nov 2012 #50

so, you don't think Stalin and Mao are not the greatest murderers ever? kwassa Nov 2012 #57

Your numbers seem a little low. humblebum Nov 2012 #58

Your numbers seem a little low. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #73

And both had dark hair and wore funny hats. skepticscott Nov 2012 #60

My point is that atheists have killed more people than religious believers. kwassa Nov 2012 #62

And my point is that skepticscott Nov 2012 #64

His point makes much sense. Whether or not they were killed directly in the name humblebum Nov 2012 #65

Oh, no, that is a qualification you just made up. kwassa Nov 2012 #68

And the deaths don't have to be in the name of brown hair skepticscott Nov 2012 #84

Communist atheists murdered 60 million people kwassa Nov 2012 #87

And they both have killed more than red heads Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #94

Both are atheist dictators. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #67

They don't need to kill in the name of atheism. Atheism is part of the Communist belief system. kwassa Nov 2012 #69

Atheism is not a system of government. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #72

Atheism is part of a system of government, the Communist system of government. kwassa Nov 2012 #75

I am not quite sure what your point is. However, ALL members of the Communist party in the USSR humblebum Nov 2012 #70

Humblebum got to use his "League of Militant Atheists" line! Everyone take a drink! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #71

What a nice republican sponsored history lesson. lalalu Nov 2012 #28

You have provided no sources for any of the garbage you are spouting. humblebum Nov 2012 #30

it is neither blather nor BS. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable? well, that's your problem ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2012 #35

As a matter of fact i do know about the Wil Durant writings on the Muslim Conquest of India, but humblebum Nov 2012 #63

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! SAME OLD SONG AGAIN!!! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #32

I would suggest the same. You seem to have an aversion to the truth. If you humblebum Nov 2012 #33

Bwahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #48

BTW, I seem to recall that you were finished with me and that I was put on humblebum Nov 2012 #36

What can I say? Your posts are just to funny to pass up! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #49

That is complete and utter horseshit... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #82

You don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. So, humblebum Nov 2012 #104

Your "facts" first please...expressed as a percentage of the population at the time... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #111

And so are atheist governments, so what is your point? humblebum Nov 2012 #113

The numbers that you argue show that more atheists have killed people than religious folks.. truebrit71 Nov 2012 #115

So who mentioned Hitler? nt humblebum Nov 2012 #116

Never said that. Your individual choice to reject organized religion is just that - cbayer Nov 2012 #21

History and the facts prove me right. lalalu Nov 2012 #29

On the contrary, history proves you wrong. You have a clear agenda humblebum Nov 2012 #31

LOL lalalu Nov 2012 #37

Back up your accusations or your argument is toast. nt humblebum Nov 2012 #38

I have and you just refuse to acknowledge it. lalalu Nov 2012 #39

Oh I forgot. You said so. So it has to be true. LOL humblebum Nov 2012 #41

George Carlin said it best. lalalu Nov 2012 #42

So, in other words, you have nothing to back up your blather and your entire humblebum Nov 2012 #43

You are proving me right and can't even see it. lalalu Nov 2012 #44

And neither can anyone else. You still have failed to present any historical evidence to humblebum Nov 2012 #45

I certainly have seen nothing from you to back up your allegations Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #46

LOL, you can't see because you don't want to. lalalu Nov 2012 #47

Who made the opening assertion, but failed to provide any sources, except the opinion of humblebum Nov 2012 #54

OMG....the irony!! skepticscott Nov 2012 #55

As I recall, you slithered out of our last exchange after refusing to admit that humblebum Nov 2012 #56

Slithered? No, just got weary of your evasions and lies skepticscott Nov 2012 #59

So again I'll ask you, are you again saying that you have never been a participant in a humblebum Nov 2012 #61

Oh I've seen you CLAIM all over the map skepticscott Nov 2012 #85

Thanks for finally being honest. As I said before, it doesn't matter if you humblebum Nov 2012 #97

As I said, neither me nor anyone here skepticscott Nov 2012 #119

Like I said before, it doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Trying to apply your humblebum Nov 2012 #120

Back up your accusations or your argument is toast. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #74

"You seem to assume Commies only killed religious people" never said that humblebum Nov 2012 #78

Well just considering that the world population around the fifteeth century was roughly only humblebum Nov 2012 #79

you are pulling number out of thin air AlbertCat Nov 2012 #86

Who ever said the numbers only went back one century? humblebum Nov 2012 #89

I simply stated that the greatest mass murder in all of recorded history happened in the 20th centur AlbertCat Nov 2012 #91

Yes as a matter of fact I did in post #25. humblebum Nov 2012 #92

809 million? uh, no. The source page says no such thing. kwassa Nov 2012 #88

The denseness suggests a motive other than truth. There's not much one can do with dishonesty... patrice Nov 2012 #12

LOL, dishonesty is pretending you don't support lalalu Nov 2012 #19

That is the conclusion I have also drawn from previous experience. cbayer Nov 2012 #22

Because there are lots of people who pray there and it means something to them? cbayer Nov 2012 #3

Thank you. narnian60 Nov 2012 #7

Then GO TO CHURCH... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #81

Why not? as long as no one is ordered to attend and as long as there is no religious, and/or other, patrice Nov 2012 #4

Not the point. leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #24

How does it imply that it endorses one religion over another? cbayer Nov 2012 #34

It endorses religion over non-religion. trotsky Nov 2012 #40

What exactly does that mean? atreides1 Nov 2012 #52

See here: trotsky Nov 2012 #53

Your assertion of Christian privilege might stand if there are no non-prayer breakfasts at humblebum Nov 2012 #66

as long as no one is ordered to attend AlbertCat Nov 2012 #51

Why are there prayer meetings on Govt property? truebrit71 Nov 2012 #76

No one is forced to attend or even be exposed to it. cbayer Nov 2012 #77

No. Because atheism isn't a religion, nor does it require "prayer breakfasts"... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #80

Could not disagree more. Providing space for employees to practice their religion cbayer Nov 2012 #83

"Providing space for employees to practice their religion privately" trotsky Nov 2012 #90

They should practice their religion in their churches and leave govt property to govt business.. truebrit71 Nov 2012 #100

You have made your point clear. We will have to agree to disagree and let the courts decide cbayer Nov 2012 #101

(for now) Thank goodness there are groups like the FFRF to go after this type of nonsense.. truebrit71 Nov 2012 #102

They are breaking no laws here. cbayer Nov 2012 #105

Should they have to leave to pray? Yes. That's what synagogues/mosques were designed for.. truebrit71 Nov 2012 #109

In this country, they are free to be as religious as they want anywhere they want as cbayer Nov 2012 #112

FYI, I live in the USA... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #114

It's not about catering, it's about accommodating. cbayer Nov 2012 #117

Truebrit. There has never been an absolute separation of C and S in humblebum Nov 2012 #118

If all those allegations are true Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #93

That this thread Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #95

I noticed that as well. Not a single comment about the actual subject until now. cbayer Nov 2012 #96

The "right thing" would be for the Pentagon to not have prayer breakfasts. trotsky Nov 2012 #98

Government has no business telling people when and where they cannot pray. humblebum Nov 2012 #99

fire whoever invited him Enrique Nov 2012 #103

It looks like the MRFF is on it. I think a head or two may roll. cbayer Nov 2012 #106

excellent Enrique Nov 2012 #108

Dear Gawd: Help us kill in your name. Help us maim and disfigure. Help us poison the landscape. Raster Nov 2012 #107

He didn't have to say that bongbong Nov 2012 #110