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In reply to the discussion: The Problem with Religious Moderates [View all]tama
(9,137 posts)91. From your link
This is interesting:
One major difference between love and hate appears to be in the fact that large parts of the cerebral cortex associated with judgement and reasoning become de-activated during love, whereas only a small area is deactivated in hate.
"This may seem surprising since hate can also be an all-consuming passion like love. But whereas in romantic love, the lover is often less critical and judgemental regarding the loved person, it is more likely that in the context of hate the hater may want to exercise judgement in calculating moves to harm, injure or otherwise exact revenge," Professor Zeki said.
"Interestingly, the activity of some of these structures in response to a hated face is proportional in strength to the declared intensity of hate, thus allowing the subjective state of hate to be objectively quantified. This finding may have implications in criminal cases."
"Scientists prove it really is a thin line between love and hate," The Independent, 29 Oct 2008
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-pr...
It is not very surprising, as e.g. many novel writers testify that it takes a huge amount of hate of cold rage - and a creative and difficult ego trip - to produce a good novel from the chatter of inner dialogue. Without rage, they can't write. Maybe it's the same with creation of a new scientific theory, a physicist friend of mine says that cold rage gives much of his creative energy.
On the other hand meditation etc. practices to let go of or silence the inner dialogue is connected with non-judgemental compassion, and zen monks usually don't write much more than short poems.
Quite likely also musicians playing in state of flow - "knowing" as praxis and sofrosyne instead of episteme to use Aristotelian concepts - have their cortex and inner dialogue inactive for their full body to be more open and participant to the vibrant flow of music.
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If you legitimize these "other ways of knowing," there's no mechanism to determine which "other way"
humblebum
Nov 2012
#17
I think it has already been acknowledged that you and I disagree on what constitutes knowledge.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#85
No. Actually law, art, entertainment, psychology, cooking, etc. utilize other ways of knowing.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#99
An epistemology that arrives at a conclusion utilizing evidence that is less than totally
humblebum
Dec 2012
#101
If something is not 100% objective, how can one be assured that the conclusion is correct?
prefunk
Dec 2012
#102
Sure. I'll try. Generally the only disciplines that are considered any produce knowledge to the
humblebum
Dec 2012
#106
Since you have proven yourself unwilling (or unable) to give up the straw men,
trotsky
Dec 2012
#118
"But god is still being used to support horrible atrocities - all the time."
humblebum
Dec 2012
#111
Is this the same Sam Harris that considers the elimination of religion more important than the
rug
Nov 2012
#7
The problem is and has always been humanity, as is evidenced by the massive numbers killed
humblebum
Nov 2012
#9
Um, Yeh. other ways of knowing has been discussed and referenced here for a very long time.
humblebum
Nov 2012
#35
That what I thought. You are well aware that we have had these discussions before and
humblebum
Nov 2012
#40
And he will go on making such claims. However there is evidence to the contrary that goes back
humblebum
Dec 2012
#90
And again, your concept of "knowing" is not shared by everyone, to say the least.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#95
AS I recall, you claimed that no examples of other ways of knowing had ever been demonstrated.
humblebum
Dec 2012
#96
In all honesty, it's a matter of personal judgment. Those who approach with an open mind,
dimbear
Nov 2012
#22
For the same reason that I'm not penning a precis of the Gettysburg Address, I'm not rewriting
dimbear
Nov 2012
#27
Harris is addressing liberal religionists, he is trying to convince them to stop
dimbear
Nov 2012
#31
There are fora available right here on DU where Christians don't run into criticism from seculars.
dimbear
Dec 2012
#86
A flawed and slanted view of the state of nonliteralist religious thought is not
Leontius
Nov 2012
#25
The mind of Mr Harris covers almost every topic, like a wide shallow puddle
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#41
"Imagine" (says Mr Harris to us) "that we could revive a well-educated Christian
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#42
Reread the quote: Harris imagines "a well-educated Christian of the fourteenth century"
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#45
I personally do not consider it surprising that the knowledge available today
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#49
"Perhaps we ought to be surprised instead where we do not find significant advances"
cleanhippie
Nov 2012
#69
You and I have so few productive conversations because we cannot even agree about exactly
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#71
Our Christian might well have thought the earth round, but it would have been a matter of faith to
dimbear
Nov 2012
#53
"Cecco D'Ascoli, is the adopted name of Francis, or Francesco Stabili; a native of Ascoli,
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#56
Of course, the execution of Cecco D'Ascoli is quite disgusting and pointless
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#57
Mr Harris thinks a fourteenth century man today "would be considered a fool to think ...
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#44
One ought to begin with the facts and proceed thence to the analysis, whereas
struggle4progress
Nov 2012
#48
Just for reference purposes, Dr. Harris received his Ph.D. in neuroscience from Stanford in 2009.
dimbear
Nov 2012
#59
For further reference, dimbear didn't claim the argument was true BECAUSE of Harris' credentials.
trotsky
Nov 2012
#61
And yet he still didn't claim that because of Harris' education, his argument is true.
trotsky
Nov 2012
#63