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beam me up scottie

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5. Still trying to redefine atheism to suit your agenda.

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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:23 PM

Dec 2012

Quoting Huxley to do it in this forum is just SO original.

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�Lack of belief� blurs the line between atheist and agnostic [View all] rug Dec 2012 OP

I usually like this guy's writings and I really like some of Huxley's ideas on this, but cbayer Dec 2012 #1

I call myself agnostic dorkzilla Dec 2012 #2

Amen to everything you said wryter2000 Dec 2012 #28

Where in the world have you been!!?? cbayer Dec 2012 #30

Hi, Miss you! wryter2000 Dec 2012 #35

I agree completely with the both of you, except ToxMarz Dec 2012 #102

It means "*can't* know" gcomeau Dec 2012 #77

Disagree. Modifying a word with the letter a- generally means without. cbayer Dec 2012 #83

Sigh... gcomeau Dec 2012 #84

You can't compare molecular cell biology or swahili to knowing about god. cbayer Dec 2012 #85

Funny, because I just did rather easily. gcomeau Dec 2012 #87

You may need to find an example of something which no one actually knows cbayer Dec 2012 #88

Fine gcomeau Dec 2012 #89

But there is not a very large proportion of the human population that does believe cbayer Dec 2012 #91

What the hell... gcomeau Dec 2012 #92

It's like trying to nail down jell-o, isn't it. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #86

I tire of these semantic arguments. longship Dec 2012 #3

the problem comes in DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #4

+1 - thanks so much for putting this so well. cbayer Dec 2012 #32

Not to put too fine a point on it... gcomeau Dec 2012 #76

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #78

Still trying to redefine atheism to suit your agenda. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #5

Pray, what is James Kirk Wall's agenda? rug Dec 2012 #6

If he ever posts in this forum I'll ask him. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #7

He's the one quoting Huxley. rug Dec 2012 #8

It's your op. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #9

It's your insinuation. rug Dec 2012 #10

And again you refuse to discuss your own op. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #11

And again you refuse to discuss your own insinuation. rug Dec 2012 #12

Your refusal to post your own opinions about the subjects in your ops speaks volumes. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #13

Perhaps you're hearing things. rug Dec 2012 #14

This "topic" deserves nothing more. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #15

Merry Christmas! rug Dec 2012 #16

What muddying? Gnosticism is a statement on knowledge, Theism a statement on belief... Humanist_Activist Dec 2012 #17

It makes their job easier when they can define atheism as an active disbelief. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #18

Considering it is you that rejects a specificbelief, you should say what you're rejecting. rug Dec 2012 #19

God is a bagel? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #20

If you say so. rug Dec 2012 #21

No, YOU are the one who is telling me what I reject. Your words: beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #23

I must have misunderstood. I take it then you do accept a belief in a god. rug Dec 2012 #24

I'll believe in any god that proves its existence. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #26

And until then, you must reject the belief. rug Dec 2012 #31

Wrong. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #33

I see you accept it before you reject it. rug Dec 2012 #38

It's just too complicated for you. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #39

No. I find mental evasions to be much more complicated. rug Dec 2012 #40

It must suck to realize that so many people think your religious beliefs are completely irrational. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #41

It must suck to resort to argumentum ad populum. rug Dec 2012 #42

Even worse, you can't point at us and scream "SEE! They believe in stupid shit too!" beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #43

I'll leave the pointing and screaming to you. rug Dec 2012 #44

That's not screaming, it's uncontrollable laughter. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #45

I'm sure it is. rug Dec 2012 #46

Ah, now there's the real rug. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #47

Always. rug Dec 2012 #48

I will never stalk someone looking for personal info to use in a debate. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #49

Who has? rug Dec 2012 #50

It is not *rejecting* a belief. It's not adopting the belief. There's a difference. gcomeau Dec 2012 #57

What's the difference between not adopting a belief and rejecting a belief? rug Dec 2012 #58

"I reject all sorts of things without the slightest confusion" beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #60

That's what I said. Shall I repeat it? rug Dec 2012 #61

I have no conception of a god or gods. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #62

Then what are you going on about? rug Dec 2012 #63

Intolerant people who constantly try to redefine atheism. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #64

You're aggravated by redefining a notion which does not accept a notion that you have no concept of? rug Dec 2012 #65

I resent the fuck out of being told what I believe or don't. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #66

Your resentment aside, you post something, you will be questioned. rug Dec 2012 #67

I don't tell you what you believe, I don't argue with you about your beliefs. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #68

I have never properly returned your graciousness. rug Dec 2012 #69

Calling your religious beliefs irrational is not the same thing as redefining them. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #70

Oh no, that's much better. rug Dec 2012 #71

You never told me what I believe? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #72

Active vs. Passive gcomeau Dec 2012 #74

Actually, no. rug Dec 2012 #80

Actually, yes. gcomeau Dec 2012 #81

No, I did notice them but I ignored them. rug Dec 2012 #90

At least you admit it. gcomeau Dec 2012 #93

So, once confronted with a notion you don't accept, you then reject it. rug Dec 2012 #94

Instead of argue that point with you yet again... gcomeau Dec 2012 #95

Rejection is not necessarily a bad thing. rug Dec 2012 #96

Yes, but not the point. -eom. gcomeau Dec 2012 #97

The point is, when one encounters a belief and does not adopt it, that is a rejection of the belief. rug Dec 2012 #98

Sigh... gcomeau Dec 2012 #104

Sigh . . . . rug Dec 2012 #105

Congratulations. gcomeau Dec 2012 #107

Oh, it's there. rug Dec 2012 #108

No. It's not. gcomeau Dec 2012 #109

Yes it is. rug Dec 2012 #110

Speaking of muddying, post 19 is a perfect example. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #22

Hey, I'm over here. rug Dec 2012 #25

Underneath that black velvet painting of a Jesus Bagel? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #27

No, across the room thumbing through Huxley. rug Dec 2012 #29

You've never heard of a Jesus Bagel, have you? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #34

Sure, but I see a lot of stupid things on reddit. rug Dec 2012 #37

Good grief.. gcomeau Dec 2012 #75

Thanks for the post. Interesting article. For me, I think "agnostic" fits best, as far as labels go. pinto Dec 2012 #36

I don't understand randomtagger Dec 2012 #51

Spiritual but not religious does not necessarily rule out theism. cbayer Dec 2012 #52

To clarify randomtagger Dec 2012 #53

Perhaps different names for similar things. cbayer Dec 2012 #54

I think most of us believe in the same thing. I'm an atheist and Democratopia Dec 2012 #55

I know many atheists but none of them is as obsessed with atheism as you are. mr blur Dec 2012 #56

I'll gladly measure my obsession, as you term it, with atheism against yours with religion. rug Dec 2012 #59

I like this quote from Huxley: silverweb Dec 2012 #73

I call my self a person who... murray hill farm Dec 2012 #79

I like this answer very much. Thanks. cbayer Dec 2012 #82

You like letting others define you? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #99

I like how the member defined themselves. cbayer Dec 2012 #100

"It's only when they attack me based on their erroneous definitions that I care" beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #101

Like? murray hill farm Dec 2012 #103

Like the boring example of how the Moral Majority defines GLBT people based on their own issues? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #106