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Fumesucker

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31. Well that's a surprise

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:26 PM

Dec 2012

That the separation of church and state isn't a priority to liberal Christians I mean.

GLBT civil rights is a secular matter rather than religious one per se, by no means is all the prejudice against GLBT driven by religion.

As I said, when it comes to keeping religion out of government it's up to the non-theists.

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Dan Savage Wants Liberals To Recover 'Hijacked' Christianity [View all] cbayer Dec 2012 OP

Two things made the hijacking easy. Promethean Dec 2012 #1

I think the hijacking was entirely political and based on two issues - abortion and GLBT rights. cbayer Dec 2012 #2

"fear of ostracism" to me is because of the externalization of "christianity", which comes before patrice Dec 2012 #26

Hijacked?? Christianity has been a powerful force on the right since the 4th century. dimbear Dec 2012 #3

Prior to the rise of the religious right, religion was much more frequently seen as a force cbayer Dec 2012 #4

It's a long long tale, it's worth a lot of attention. dimbear Dec 2012 #5

How dare you use facts? skepticscott Dec 2012 #7

There is certainly a long history with those on all sides of issues, but Savage cbayer Dec 2012 #9

I understand that you are one of the liberal minority, and respect that. It's just dimbear Dec 2012 #11

Well, I think it might be easier if the anti-theists, like yourself, eased up a bit. cbayer Dec 2012 #23

Liberal minority? I don't know about that. longship Dec 2012 #27

You mean like in Salem? skepticscott Dec 2012 #6

You might ask Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, the Dali Lama, Bishop Tutu among others. pinto Dec 2012 #12

Oh? Ask them what? skepticscott Dec 2012 #13

What role, if any, did a religious background play in your social activism? pinto Dec 2012 #15

And then ask them skepticscott Dec 2012 #16

Those questions seem to presuppose a point-of-view. They are almost accusations, not questions. pinto Dec 2012 #21

In other words skepticscott Dec 2012 #24

I don't know the answers. Yet I know this- I've never bullied those who have different views than I. pinto Dec 2012 #28

Especially in the American experience (that's my frame of reference). What would you suggest pinto Dec 2012 #8

I think the more that support and join forces with progressive religious movements, the more cbayer Dec 2012 #10

You are correct in a way. trotsky Dec 2012 #17

There's people been saying this for years and years right here on DU Fumesucker Dec 2012 #14

You'd think they'd have a little more courage skepticscott Dec 2012 #18

I don't think that is true. I think the major problems are cbayer Dec 2012 #20

Where are the liberal Christians who are suing to get religious displays removed from govt property? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #29

Honestly, they don't seem to care much about the religious displays. cbayer Dec 2012 #30

Well that's a surprise Fumesucker Dec 2012 #31

Separation is important to many liberal christians, just not as cbayer Dec 2012 #32

Hmm.. When atheists dare to so much as put up a billboard on private property they get attacked Fumesucker Dec 2012 #33

This is not a game to see who is more oppressed. cbayer Dec 2012 #34

Savage's own words, speaking to liberal Christians Fumesucker Dec 2012 #35

If anything, I am completely about alliances and coalition building. cbayer Dec 2012 #38

OK now you're just not making sense at all. trotsky Dec 2012 #46

All I could think about jamtoday Dec 2012 #19

They aren't being brought to heel at all. cbayer Dec 2012 #22

You've been saying that for months skepticscott Dec 2012 #25

That's just silly, jamtoday Dec 2012 #36

Don't confuse cbayer with facts skepticscott Dec 2012 #37

My assertion that anyone who questions the church's actions is the problem? cbayer Dec 2012 #39

Thinking about your reply jamtoday Dec 2012 #40

Agree that the catholic patriarchy is a large problem, but that's cbayer Dec 2012 #41

I didn't jamtoday Dec 2012 #42

You are again misinterpreting what I have had to say. cbayer Dec 2012 #43

I don't think jamtoday Dec 2012 #44

But what do you have to say about the significant role that cbayer Dec 2012 #45

Perhaps reply with jamtoday Dec 2012 #47

You do know you are in the religion group, right? cbayer Dec 2012 #48

Agreed jamtoday Dec 2012 #49

The group is very open to that and it happens every day. cbayer Dec 2012 #50

Yeppers. okasha Dec 2012 #53

I thought Dan Savage was one of those christofascists who has done the hijacking. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #51

Er, no. Dan Savage is one of the most vocal pro-GLBT activists in the country. cbayer Dec 2012 #52

Perhaps you're thinking of Michael Savage? okasha Dec 2012 #54