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cbayer

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38. If anything, I am completely about alliances and coalition building.

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:40 AM

Dec 2012

There are many religiously based organizations that ally with secular organizations for common goals.

I agree with Savage to some extent. I think progressive religious organizations were too quiet, but not complicit.

They are pushing back, but there is a dearth of media coverage. And then there is the enormous problem of non-religious groups on the left not only rejecting them, but actively attacking them.

That needs to stop. And just as Savage is saying that it is up to the liberal churches to fight back against the religious right, I will maintain that it is up to progressive secular groups to fight back against the anti-theists. They also don't seem to feel remorse and just keep coming at you.

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Dan Savage Wants Liberals To Recover 'Hijacked' Christianity [View all] cbayer Dec 2012 OP

Two things made the hijacking easy. Promethean Dec 2012 #1

I think the hijacking was entirely political and based on two issues - abortion and GLBT rights. cbayer Dec 2012 #2

"fear of ostracism" to me is because of the externalization of "christianity", which comes before patrice Dec 2012 #26

Hijacked?? Christianity has been a powerful force on the right since the 4th century. dimbear Dec 2012 #3

Prior to the rise of the religious right, religion was much more frequently seen as a force cbayer Dec 2012 #4

It's a long long tale, it's worth a lot of attention. dimbear Dec 2012 #5

How dare you use facts? skepticscott Dec 2012 #7

There is certainly a long history with those on all sides of issues, but Savage cbayer Dec 2012 #9

I understand that you are one of the liberal minority, and respect that. It's just dimbear Dec 2012 #11

Well, I think it might be easier if the anti-theists, like yourself, eased up a bit. cbayer Dec 2012 #23

Liberal minority? I don't know about that. longship Dec 2012 #27

You mean like in Salem? skepticscott Dec 2012 #6

You might ask Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, the Dali Lama, Bishop Tutu among others. pinto Dec 2012 #12

Oh? Ask them what? skepticscott Dec 2012 #13

What role, if any, did a religious background play in your social activism? pinto Dec 2012 #15

And then ask them skepticscott Dec 2012 #16

Those questions seem to presuppose a point-of-view. They are almost accusations, not questions. pinto Dec 2012 #21

In other words skepticscott Dec 2012 #24

I don't know the answers. Yet I know this- I've never bullied those who have different views than I. pinto Dec 2012 #28

Especially in the American experience (that's my frame of reference). What would you suggest pinto Dec 2012 #8

I think the more that support and join forces with progressive religious movements, the more cbayer Dec 2012 #10

You are correct in a way. trotsky Dec 2012 #17

There's people been saying this for years and years right here on DU Fumesucker Dec 2012 #14

You'd think they'd have a little more courage skepticscott Dec 2012 #18

I don't think that is true. I think the major problems are cbayer Dec 2012 #20

Where are the liberal Christians who are suing to get religious displays removed from govt property? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #29

Honestly, they don't seem to care much about the religious displays. cbayer Dec 2012 #30

Well that's a surprise Fumesucker Dec 2012 #31

Separation is important to many liberal christians, just not as cbayer Dec 2012 #32

Hmm.. When atheists dare to so much as put up a billboard on private property they get attacked Fumesucker Dec 2012 #33

This is not a game to see who is more oppressed. cbayer Dec 2012 #34

Savage's own words, speaking to liberal Christians Fumesucker Dec 2012 #35

If anything, I am completely about alliances and coalition building. cbayer Dec 2012 #38

OK now you're just not making sense at all. trotsky Dec 2012 #46

All I could think about jamtoday Dec 2012 #19

They aren't being brought to heel at all. cbayer Dec 2012 #22

You've been saying that for months skepticscott Dec 2012 #25

That's just silly, jamtoday Dec 2012 #36

Don't confuse cbayer with facts skepticscott Dec 2012 #37

My assertion that anyone who questions the church's actions is the problem? cbayer Dec 2012 #39

Thinking about your reply jamtoday Dec 2012 #40

Agree that the catholic patriarchy is a large problem, but that's cbayer Dec 2012 #41

I didn't jamtoday Dec 2012 #42

You are again misinterpreting what I have had to say. cbayer Dec 2012 #43

I don't think jamtoday Dec 2012 #44

But what do you have to say about the significant role that cbayer Dec 2012 #45

Perhaps reply with jamtoday Dec 2012 #47

You do know you are in the religion group, right? cbayer Dec 2012 #48

Agreed jamtoday Dec 2012 #49

The group is very open to that and it happens every day. cbayer Dec 2012 #50

Yeppers. okasha Dec 2012 #53

I thought Dan Savage was one of those christofascists who has done the hijacking. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #51

Er, no. Dan Savage is one of the most vocal pro-GLBT activists in the country. cbayer Dec 2012 #52

Perhaps you're thinking of Michael Savage? okasha Dec 2012 #54