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Fri Jan 13, 2012, 12:09 AM

Jan 2012

"The issue over the orange triangles has come up before in other states with Amish populations. Ohio, New York and Pennsylvania have allowed exemptions for the Swartzentrubers, and courts in Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan have sided with them."

Do you find it odd they have been given an exemption to weaing orange jail jumpsuits?

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In religious dispute, Kentucky Amish men jailed for not using reflective triangles on buggies [View all] rug Jan 2012 OP

I wouldn't call it a religious dispute. Deep13 Jan 2012 #1

Except rug Jan 2012 #2

Not odd at all. The reflectors are for public safety, jumpsuits not so much. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #3

Traffic safety is no different in Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. rug Jan 2012 #8

I agree, which is why I do not understand why anyone should get an exemption cleanhippie Jan 2012 #15

Except Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan all granted exemptions. rug Jan 2012 #19

As for safety laws tama Jan 2012 #37

But the Amish make exceptions all the time. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #6

That's an entirely different issue. rug Jan 2012 #9

No it's not. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #12

Just a curious aside...how do they avoid the tax issue? Adsos Letter Jan 2012 #91

By not buying cars tama Jan 2012 #99

AFAIK tama Jan 2012 #30

Why should anybody be surprised at "one rule for thee and one for me" with godbotherers? dmallind Jan 2012 #13

godbotherers? That's a new one on me. So I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary. cbayer Jan 2012 #14

Whatever you may think of the Urban Dictionary, it's too much. dmallind Jan 2012 #28

Those "one rule for all" types tama Jan 2012 #36

It sounds like letting them use gray reflective tape may be a compromise solution. Jim__ Jan 2012 #4

It is. Half a dozen other states were able to resple this without jailing them. rug Jan 2012 #10

It's fine if you want to live edhopper Jan 2012 #5

Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan must be biblical fantasy lands. rug Jan 2012 #11

The Amish I see in their carriages here Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #16

I once nearly hit a buggy in Illinois Amish Country. It was foggy, and I saw a vehicle with Critters2 Jan 2012 #27

And they have to obey traffic laws in all those states edhopper Jan 2012 #17

Except orange stickers. rug Jan 2012 #20

They "must" nothing tama Jan 2012 #31

As long as they use OUR roads hell yes they better comply with the law... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #34

They tama Jan 2012 #35

Afraid of what? edhopper Jan 2012 #38

Less afraid than tama Jan 2012 #39

That's a complete nonsequitor to the discussion edhopper Jan 2012 #40

I don't see anyone arguing that. What I see is the question of why the laws can't be changed. cbayer Jan 2012 #41

If there was a way that protects both the Amish and Non-Amish alike, then I'm all for it... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #44

It has been pointed out that other states have laws which do both. cbayer Jan 2012 #48

What gives US Congress etc. tama Jan 2012 #52

The concept of a representative democracy. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #53

Rotten system tama Jan 2012 #58

You would prefer what, exactly? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #60

I'm tama Jan 2012 #62

What country do you live in? edhopper Jan 2012 #54

I thought tama Jan 2012 #57

I was asking seriously edhopper Jan 2012 #84

Never been in US tama Jan 2012 #85

Your english is impeccable, tama. I am really impressed. cbayer Jan 2012 #86

What does the American genocide edhopper Jan 2012 #102

You asked tama Jan 2012 #103

I am sorry edhopper Jan 2012 #104

What I find irrational tama Jan 2012 #106

You have a very naive and fanciful view of the Amish that doesn't match reality... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #45

I'm aware tama Jan 2012 #50

And? Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #87

The topic of this discussion nt tama Jan 2012 #89

No, rational people such as myself are trying to have a discussion... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #97

Yes tama Jan 2012 #98

apparently they DO need our fantasy land, if they didn't this would madmom Jan 2012 #43

From wikipedia: tama Jan 2012 #49

I didn't say they didn't pay taxes. YOU said they were self sufficient, obviously they are not if madmom Jan 2012 #56

Everything is relative tama Jan 2012 #61

Way to move the goal posts. It's obvious they need to use public roads, whatever other kind of madmom Jan 2012 #68

Horses and wagons tama Jan 2012 #71

We're not talking about wagons trails and walking, we're talking about buggies on public roads that madmom Jan 2012 #88

Yes and I tama Jan 2012 #90

Then they can strongly get arrested for being scofflaws. dmallind Jan 2012 #94

Belief that orange is "flashy" is a "RELIGIOUS" belief now? MarkCharles Jan 2012 #7

So how does the idea rrneck Jan 2012 #18

If there is a reasonable alternative that provides for the same level of safety cbayer Jan 2012 #21

Me too. rug Jan 2012 #22

Because changing the rules to favor the beliefs of one religion while... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #23

The Jehovah's Witness example does not hold here. cbayer Jan 2012 #24

Actually that's only true in the case of adults who are conscious... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #46

Can you quote the part of the Constitution violated? kwassa Jan 2012 #25

Try the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #26

Safety? tama Jan 2012 #32

Equal treatment under the law is NOT "blind authoritarianism" MarkCharles Jan 2012 #42

I've been tama Jan 2012 #47

I was too at Pine Ridge, South Dakota. rug Jan 2012 #63

This was tama Jan 2012 #65

It's a unique ceremony. rug Jan 2012 #66