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NoOneMan

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18. Its not either or, no

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:00 PM

Dec 2012

But its definitely proof you do not need a church to get there, and a church may not even get many people to the same place 7 out of the 10 people in this study went to instantly.

Why would you feel the need to exclude it, though, from spiritual or enlightening experiences that some people have.

I'm not excluding it, but rather ruling it out as a necessary (or even effective) avenue for non-religious people to try in order to experience "spirituality" themselves. There is a whole lot more bang for your buck out there; many people have already felt it already and have missed nothing (as this article implies).

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Spiritual but not religious [View all] cbayer Dec 2012 OP

The Nones are missing nothing NoOneMan Dec 2012 #1

Right, don't seek to widen your knowledge base and experience in the area. cbayer Dec 2012 #2

When you finish the hike, sex and LSD NoOneMan Dec 2012 #3

One can experience many things if one has an open mind. cbayer Dec 2012 #5

Many people in the pew don't know the difference NoOneMan Dec 2012 #9

Not surprising, but one does not invalidate the other. cbayer Dec 2012 #10

I don't have a lot of patience okasha Dec 2012 #11

Great point. To reach that state without the use of drugs would seem cbayer Dec 2012 #14

And it may take you a decade sitting cross-legged in a cave NoOneMan Dec 2012 #17

Agree completely that what is profound is highly individualized, cbayer Dec 2012 #20

"I have never heard of the concept of religious leaders blocking direct access to god" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #22

Not being coy at all. I have honestly never experienced a denomination or cbayer Dec 2012 #23

Its been widely practiced NoOneMan Dec 2012 #24

An ancient Hebrew tradition? cbayer Dec 2012 #25

See you in confessional NoOneMan Dec 2012 #26

Perhaps an intermediary or intercessionist, but I never saw this as blocking cbayer Dec 2012 #27

Not all bad, but all unnecessary. NoOneMan Dec 2012 #28

Immediacy is not necessarily a positive, imo. cbayer Dec 2012 #29

And its not necessarily a negative unless you wish it to be NoOneMan Dec 2012 #30

Wait a minute! Wasn't taking a hike the suggestion you started this all with? cbayer Dec 2012 #31

Why yes it is NoOneMan Dec 2012 #32

I am one of the group that experiences anxiety and fear, so it's definitely cbayer Dec 2012 #34

Bummer NoOneMan Dec 2012 #35

She does wonder whether she is missing something and it will cbayer Dec 2012 #36

People are already trained to do those things NoOneMan Dec 2012 #38

It's a slippery slope and one that is not going to be crossed without cbayer Dec 2012 #39

"results of the immediate spiritual experience tend to wane over time" tama Dec 2012 #42

There is huge variety of methodology tama Dec 2012 #41

7 out of 10 cited it within the top 5 most significant spiritual experiences of their life NoOneMan Dec 2012 #12

So what? I can artificially change your brain chemistry and you will have cbayer Dec 2012 #15

Its not either or, no NoOneMan Dec 2012 #18

Well, I certainly have never made the claim that one needed a church to have a spiritual cbayer Dec 2012 #21

So? tama Dec 2012 #40

Did all that and more first quaker bill Dec 2012 #19

I love her plan to visit 50 different takes on religion / spirituality and her open ended approach pinto Dec 2012 #4

I did something very similar at one point in my life. cbayer Dec 2012 #7

I love the title of your post dballance Dec 2012 #6

Agree, and this group is growing by leaps and bounds. cbayer Dec 2012 #8

beware the priest/minister class, who are out for $$ and power nt msongs Dec 2012 #13

More profound insights from you! Thanks again for stopping by. cbayer Dec 2012 #16

I'm not a "none" nor a "no-one" nor a "no One" but rather a... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #33

Sounds like a 21st Century version of Deists meow2u3 Dec 2012 #37