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cbayer

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21. If there is a reasonable alternative that provides for the same level of safety

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Fri Jan 13, 2012, 05:44 PM

Jan 2012

while respecting the beliefs or customs of a community, I am stymied as to why they would not change the rules.

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In religious dispute, Kentucky Amish men jailed for not using reflective triangles on buggies [View all] rug Jan 2012 OP

I wouldn't call it a religious dispute. Deep13 Jan 2012 #1

Except rug Jan 2012 #2

Not odd at all. The reflectors are for public safety, jumpsuits not so much. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #3

Traffic safety is no different in Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. rug Jan 2012 #8

I agree, which is why I do not understand why anyone should get an exemption cleanhippie Jan 2012 #15

Except Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan all granted exemptions. rug Jan 2012 #19

As for safety laws tama Jan 2012 #37

But the Amish make exceptions all the time. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #6

That's an entirely different issue. rug Jan 2012 #9

No it's not. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #12

Just a curious aside...how do they avoid the tax issue? Adsos Letter Jan 2012 #91

By not buying cars tama Jan 2012 #99

AFAIK tama Jan 2012 #30

Why should anybody be surprised at "one rule for thee and one for me" with godbotherers? dmallind Jan 2012 #13

godbotherers? That's a new one on me. So I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary. cbayer Jan 2012 #14

Whatever you may think of the Urban Dictionary, it's too much. dmallind Jan 2012 #28

Those "one rule for all" types tama Jan 2012 #36

It sounds like letting them use gray reflective tape may be a compromise solution. Jim__ Jan 2012 #4

It is. Half a dozen other states were able to resple this without jailing them. rug Jan 2012 #10

It's fine if you want to live edhopper Jan 2012 #5

Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan must be biblical fantasy lands. rug Jan 2012 #11

The Amish I see in their carriages here Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #16

I once nearly hit a buggy in Illinois Amish Country. It was foggy, and I saw a vehicle with Critters2 Jan 2012 #27

And they have to obey traffic laws in all those states edhopper Jan 2012 #17

Except orange stickers. rug Jan 2012 #20

They "must" nothing tama Jan 2012 #31

As long as they use OUR roads hell yes they better comply with the law... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #34

They tama Jan 2012 #35

Afraid of what? edhopper Jan 2012 #38

Less afraid than tama Jan 2012 #39

That's a complete nonsequitor to the discussion edhopper Jan 2012 #40

I don't see anyone arguing that. What I see is the question of why the laws can't be changed. cbayer Jan 2012 #41

If there was a way that protects both the Amish and Non-Amish alike, then I'm all for it... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #44

It has been pointed out that other states have laws which do both. cbayer Jan 2012 #48

What gives US Congress etc. tama Jan 2012 #52

The concept of a representative democracy. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #53

Rotten system tama Jan 2012 #58

You would prefer what, exactly? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #60

I'm tama Jan 2012 #62

What country do you live in? edhopper Jan 2012 #54

I thought tama Jan 2012 #57

I was asking seriously edhopper Jan 2012 #84

Never been in US tama Jan 2012 #85

Your english is impeccable, tama. I am really impressed. cbayer Jan 2012 #86

What does the American genocide edhopper Jan 2012 #102

You asked tama Jan 2012 #103

I am sorry edhopper Jan 2012 #104

What I find irrational tama Jan 2012 #106

You have a very naive and fanciful view of the Amish that doesn't match reality... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #45

I'm aware tama Jan 2012 #50

And? Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #87

The topic of this discussion nt tama Jan 2012 #89

No, rational people such as myself are trying to have a discussion... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #97

Yes tama Jan 2012 #98

apparently they DO need our fantasy land, if they didn't this would madmom Jan 2012 #43

From wikipedia: tama Jan 2012 #49

I didn't say they didn't pay taxes. YOU said they were self sufficient, obviously they are not if madmom Jan 2012 #56

Everything is relative tama Jan 2012 #61

Way to move the goal posts. It's obvious they need to use public roads, whatever other kind of madmom Jan 2012 #68

Horses and wagons tama Jan 2012 #71

We're not talking about wagons trails and walking, we're talking about buggies on public roads that madmom Jan 2012 #88

Yes and I tama Jan 2012 #90

Then they can strongly get arrested for being scofflaws. dmallind Jan 2012 #94

Belief that orange is "flashy" is a "RELIGIOUS" belief now? MarkCharles Jan 2012 #7

So how does the idea rrneck Jan 2012 #18

If there is a reasonable alternative that provides for the same level of safety cbayer Jan 2012 #21

Me too. rug Jan 2012 #22

Because changing the rules to favor the beliefs of one religion while... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #23

The Jehovah's Witness example does not hold here. cbayer Jan 2012 #24

Actually that's only true in the case of adults who are conscious... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #46

Can you quote the part of the Constitution violated? kwassa Jan 2012 #25

Try the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #26

Safety? tama Jan 2012 #32

Equal treatment under the law is NOT "blind authoritarianism" MarkCharles Jan 2012 #42

I've been tama Jan 2012 #47

I was too at Pine Ridge, South Dakota. rug Jan 2012 #63

This was tama Jan 2012 #65

It's a unique ceremony. rug Jan 2012 #66