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tama

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42. "results of the immediate spiritual experience tend to wane over time"

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:12 AM

Dec 2012

That's also true of e.g. Zen meditation. Experiences what they call "kensho" are very common, and they also wane over time. Permanent transformations come - if they come - through repetitive and gradually deepening impermanent experiences. And there is no end, no final transformation, in the worlds of experiences.

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Spiritual but not religious [View all] cbayer Dec 2012 OP

The Nones are missing nothing NoOneMan Dec 2012 #1

Right, don't seek to widen your knowledge base and experience in the area. cbayer Dec 2012 #2

When you finish the hike, sex and LSD NoOneMan Dec 2012 #3

One can experience many things if one has an open mind. cbayer Dec 2012 #5

Many people in the pew don't know the difference NoOneMan Dec 2012 #9

Not surprising, but one does not invalidate the other. cbayer Dec 2012 #10

I don't have a lot of patience okasha Dec 2012 #11

Great point. To reach that state without the use of drugs would seem cbayer Dec 2012 #14

And it may take you a decade sitting cross-legged in a cave NoOneMan Dec 2012 #17

Agree completely that what is profound is highly individualized, cbayer Dec 2012 #20

"I have never heard of the concept of religious leaders blocking direct access to god" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #22

Not being coy at all. I have honestly never experienced a denomination or cbayer Dec 2012 #23

Its been widely practiced NoOneMan Dec 2012 #24

An ancient Hebrew tradition? cbayer Dec 2012 #25

See you in confessional NoOneMan Dec 2012 #26

Perhaps an intermediary or intercessionist, but I never saw this as blocking cbayer Dec 2012 #27

Not all bad, but all unnecessary. NoOneMan Dec 2012 #28

Immediacy is not necessarily a positive, imo. cbayer Dec 2012 #29

And its not necessarily a negative unless you wish it to be NoOneMan Dec 2012 #30

Wait a minute! Wasn't taking a hike the suggestion you started this all with? cbayer Dec 2012 #31

Why yes it is NoOneMan Dec 2012 #32

I am one of the group that experiences anxiety and fear, so it's definitely cbayer Dec 2012 #34

Bummer NoOneMan Dec 2012 #35

She does wonder whether she is missing something and it will cbayer Dec 2012 #36

People are already trained to do those things NoOneMan Dec 2012 #38

It's a slippery slope and one that is not going to be crossed without cbayer Dec 2012 #39

"results of the immediate spiritual experience tend to wane over time" tama Dec 2012 #42

There is huge variety of methodology tama Dec 2012 #41

7 out of 10 cited it within the top 5 most significant spiritual experiences of their life NoOneMan Dec 2012 #12

So what? I can artificially change your brain chemistry and you will have cbayer Dec 2012 #15

Its not either or, no NoOneMan Dec 2012 #18

Well, I certainly have never made the claim that one needed a church to have a spiritual cbayer Dec 2012 #21

So? tama Dec 2012 #40

Did all that and more first quaker bill Dec 2012 #19

I love her plan to visit 50 different takes on religion / spirituality and her open ended approach pinto Dec 2012 #4

I did something very similar at one point in my life. cbayer Dec 2012 #7

I love the title of your post dballance Dec 2012 #6

Agree, and this group is growing by leaps and bounds. cbayer Dec 2012 #8

beware the priest/minister class, who are out for $$ and power nt msongs Dec 2012 #13

More profound insights from you! Thanks again for stopping by. cbayer Dec 2012 #16

I'm not a "none" nor a "no-one" nor a "no One" but rather a... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #33

Sounds like a 21st Century version of Deists meow2u3 Dec 2012 #37