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jamtoday

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97. To follow up

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:42 PM

Jan 2013

on my other reply in this thread I must say that you worryingly project both prayer and occult magic as a tangible reality, which takes me back to my answer of Christianity is 'magic'. Even if you claim magic as the occult, which of course is absurd, your answer says you believe it to be a real thing and use 'counter-magic', which is not magic because it's a prayer to a man that spoke the whole Universe into existence; which once again is not magic because this wizard wears a white gown!

How does one manipulate the occult, I would broadly refer to some of Chomsky's thoughts on language and think here of the weight words can have and the baggage they carry. In claiming 'manipulation of the occult' you are in linguistics assigning that idea with a physical body or presence. I've often found this with a number of apologists for Christianity in that they will accept certain criticisms of the Bible and concede parts may not be true and that indeed much is moral preaching and metaphor. However the mention of evil sets them on edge and that it is indeed, for many of them more real than the simplistic/convoluted infantile morality plays in their book.

This goes to show the tradition of dictatorship and fear that imposed the Bible continues to have a greater influence on beliefs than the Biblical stories. As is perhaps proven by the onus of the OP in not considering these people having suffered until it became Christian suffering.

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The Most Persecuted Religion in the World [View all] cbayer Jan 2013 OP

It should only make them stronger Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #1

Yes, being killed usually makes someone stronger. cbayer Jan 2013 #2

How many Christians are being killed in this country because they are Christians?? Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #8

The article is not about christians in this country, or did you miss that part. cbayer Jan 2013 #11

Then why does the article say that Christians are the most persecuted in the World?? Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #13

A small part of the world compromised of countries mostly populated by Muslims? cbayer Jan 2013 #14

??????????? Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #17

Please, AD. I think in your haste to find some ways to bash american christians, you cbayer Jan 2013 #18

Maybe they should sue. rug Jan 2013 #3

God does say to turn the other cheek Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #20

Annie does say to sue. rug Jan 2013 #23

Not to be pedantic.... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #4

I think it's just a reflection of where he went for the story. cbayer Jan 2013 #5

"Finally, the U.S. government must actively defend Christian liberty in Muslim-majority countries." lunasun Jan 2013 #6

So you think the US government should deny help to persecuted populations based on cbayer Jan 2013 #7

What the hell is the US doing to protect women and gays from religion in this country?? Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #9

Er, lots, as a matter of fact. And many US churches are leading the fight. cbayer Jan 2013 #10

You brought up the government Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #12

Government, both federal, state and local, are very active in passing laws that protect the cbayer Jan 2013 #15

Don't see it Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #16

Nah. I figure you are perfectly capable of using the google. cbayer Jan 2013 #19

When I want to prove my point I will use Google Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #21

You may want to use it, then, before you make ask questions like the one that started this cbayer Jan 2013 #22

I asked a question that you refused to answer Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #25

If you're expecting cbayer skepticscott Jan 2013 #24

Note that the call isn't for religious liberty, it's for *Christian* liberty. trotsky Jan 2013 #46

noted lunasun Jan 2013 #48

Yep. JoeyT Jan 2013 #123

mankind will not be free until RedstDem Jan 2013 #26

Oh those poor "christians" Politicalboi Jan 2013 #27

What smileys do you have for this? rug Jan 2013 #28

Wow, did you not read this? And if you did, do you really find it funny? cbayer Jan 2013 #39

Christians do help other Christians uncommonCents Jan 2013 #63

I guess that German Chancellor Angela Merkel knows about persecuted religions.......... thelordofhell Jan 2013 #29

Well, her father was a pastor in East Germany. rug Jan 2013 #30

The key word in the sentence is German........... thelordofhell Jan 2013 #34

German = Holocaust? rug Jan 2013 #35

No thelordofhell Jan 2013 #37

You equate anything Geman with the Holocaust? rug Jan 2013 #38

Time to stop.......this is obviously going over your head thelordofhell Jan 2013 #40

Afraid not. Once you use a broad brush it's hard to stop. rug Jan 2013 #41

When you talk about persecution of a religion..........know your history thelordofhell Jan 2013 #42

I know my history quite well. Apparently you didn't know Merkel's. rug Jan 2013 #43

What does Merkel's knowledge of the Holocaust have to do with her comments on recent events patrice Jan 2013 #60

Show me the Christian equivalent........... thelordofhell Jan 2013 #44

Ah, so the Holocaust was not the result of Christianity. rug Jan 2013 #49

I did not know that edhopper Jan 2013 #31

Do you know that humans are capable of destroying other humans? rug Jan 2013 #32

Of course edhopper Jan 2013 #33

Perhaps you are confusing Christianity with magic. rug Jan 2013 #36

Many believers edhopper Jan 2013 #45

And maybe he does. But magic is the manupulation of the occult, which prayer is not. rug Jan 2013 #47

So God cannot save edhopper Jan 2013 #50

My mother told me that God answers prayers atreides1 Jan 2013 #55

That doesn't follow in the least, as you well know. rug Jan 2013 #71

I think I am being straight forward edhopper Jan 2013 #80

Believing God can does not mean people can manipulae God by prayer. rug Jan 2013 #81

Who said anything about prayer? edhopper Jan 2013 #85

No, you said God is incapable. rug Jan 2013 #95

Willfully missing the point edhopper Jan 2013 #104

Careful there tama Jan 2013 #77

No, the essence of prayer is to seek the will of God, not to manipulate God. rug Jan 2013 #79

Does tama Jan 2013 #83

? rug Jan 2013 #94

Exactly tama Jan 2013 #98

For one thing, humans will never get either complete answers about, or complete understanding of, rug Jan 2013 #101

To follow up jamtoday Jan 2013 #97

I'll have vinaigrette on the salad. okasha Jan 2013 #100

Rug jamtoday Jan 2013 #107

And the ham. okasha Jan 2013 #120

I've looked through the replies jamtoday Jan 2013 #124

I don't believe in magic. Do you? rug Jan 2013 #103

No jamtoday Jan 2013 #106

No, not in the least. rug Jan 2013 #108

Why jamtoday Jan 2013 #113

This, in my view, is the most stark description of prayer under duress. rug Jan 2013 #115

I'd like to say jamtoday Jan 2013 #117

Can't help you there. rug Jan 2013 #118

I thought jamtoday Jan 2013 #91

You should think some more. rug Jan 2013 #93

Then jamtoday Jan 2013 #96

What is what? rug Jan 2013 #102

Since jamtoday Jan 2013 #105

Ok, the revolving door has stopped. After you, sir. rug Jan 2013 #109

An old timer like yourself should know jamtoday Jan 2013 #111

I've earned ever wrinkle. rug Jan 2013 #112

Lol jamtoday Jan 2013 #114

Your first two words okasha Jan 2013 #99

Ad Hominen jamtoday Jan 2013 #110

You'd know. okasha Jan 2013 #121

There are other countries where Christians are indeed persecuted bluestateguy Jan 2013 #51

Agree and entirely consistent with the author's take on this. cbayer Jan 2013 #53

If you're fair minded, gather up an estimate of Muslims killed by Christians and vice versa in dimbear Jan 2013 #52

Do you have those numbers? cbayer Jan 2013 #54

I have a fair idea which side of the balance tips down. dimbear Jan 2013 #58

I've not seen any numbers to support your position and the article presents cbayer Jan 2013 #68

I'm sure you note the irony of saying this is not a game with winners and losers when your thread dimbear Jan 2013 #75

so you are saying the oil wars are really about religion? madrchsod Jan 2013 #64

The numbers are obfuscated. jamtoday Jan 2013 #116

Exactly. And when you begin to note how many of those deaths are children, it just gets too sad. dimbear Jan 2013 #119

How about indigenous religions? AnnieBW Jan 2013 #56

Agree. They tend to get marginalized and neglected to a large extent. cbayer Jan 2013 #57

this post is absolutely correct uncommonCents Jan 2013 #59

Is it established that they are being killed for being Christian or is their Christianity simply a patrice Jan 2013 #61

Quite often the persecution is due to leaving Islam uncommonCents Jan 2013 #65

I can't think of anything to say. It's too much . . . . patrice Jan 2013 #70

i do feel that Christianity is being discriminated against. samsingh Jan 2013 #62

Yes, I agree uncommonCents Jan 2013 #66

fox book of martyrs ? madrchsod Jan 2013 #72

it`s hard to be discriminated against when it`s the world`s largest religion madrchsod Jan 2013 #67

Apparently, if the data in the article is correct, that is not the case. cbayer Jan 2013 #69

Depends on where one lives, I would think. Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #73

Numbers have nothing to do with the case. okasha Jan 2013 #92

Actually, JDPriestly Jan 2013 #74

Atheists are more persecuted. EVERYBODY hate us! Speck Tater Jan 2013 #76

Atheism is not a religion. idwiyo Jan 2013 #78

OMG. While there is clearly some prejudice against atheists, you would be hard pressed cbayer Jan 2013 #82

LMFAO! trotsky Jan 2013 #84

There is a Christian indoctrination center on every thrid street corner. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #86

That's ridiculous. cbayer Jan 2013 #87

Sometimes sarcasm is its own reward. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #88

Not a dude, but not always good at picking up sarcasm. Sorry about that. cbayer Jan 2013 #89

Sorry. Dudette then. ;-) nt Speck Tater Jan 2013 #90

Only because there are less atheists to persecute. Bradical79 Jan 2013 #126

It's rough when no one speaks up for you, eh? Plantaganet Jan 2013 #122

Islam is the most persecuted religion in America, and the world. SarahM32 Jan 2013 #125

I don't think this part is true at all. Bradical79 Jan 2013 #127