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intaglio

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24. Actually you are still dodging
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jan 2013

What 5 faiths are you saying support your view? Come on you can do it, you do not have to be afraid.

Next, as I did not number my points, to what do the numbers (1) (2) and (3) refer?

Next, if (1) and (2) refer to my two examples then what does "Yes" and "No" mean? If you mean in the first case that the woman is saved then you are declaring that, despite dying in commission of a mortal sin, God will look after her? If in the second 2 loving and otherwise obedient (that is a sick term, are humans like dogs to be trained?) Catholics are condemned to Hell then how is your petty and pitiful little deity any better than a torturer?

I agree that Catholics do have to use "words and deeds" except your post seemed to say otherwise;

Actually six, since Catholicism also teaches that all, including noncChristians and nonbelievers, can be saved
Now it appears that the faith you most readily espouse only saves people who convert and my post merely took you at your word. Your current position again gives the lie to Pascal's foolish Wager because it now matters which specific of deity you worship and there are many of those.

Next discontinuity
Your second paragraph is no more than rumination in sdearch of a justification for your stance
Excuse me, but I just accepted what you said and showed that it contradicted Pascal. After that my point was that the magical operations carried out in worship are also dead letters. Why genuflect if only faith and good works are sufficient to save you? Why utter incantations in specific form?

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By not seeing any "benefits" to not believing, one falsifies the choice. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #1
Prove they are benefits NoOneMan Jan 2013 #3
Prove believing in a god is a benefit. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #10
So if I take that wager... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #2
But WHICH God did Pascal choose? Speck Tater Jan 2013 #4
And to note.... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #6
The multitude of gods has informed my choice of which one to worship bongbong Jan 2013 #7
Two problems here... LeftishBrit Jan 2013 #5
To be fair, I think he is taking issue with Jacoby's binary theist/atheist framing. rug Jan 2013 #8
I might say that the agnostic view is the only valid alternative. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #11
That is a fair distinction because it concerns gnosis. rug Jan 2013 #12
That's my reading as well. cbayer Jan 2013 #15
gee, i just invented a god that will destroy the entire planet unless you commit unspeakable acts. unblock Jan 2013 #9
A refutation of Pascal's wager. longship Jan 2013 #13
Not Pascal's idiotic bet intaglio Jan 2013 #14
I completely agree with your last two paragraphs. rug Jan 2013 #17
Oh? Which ones? Come on give some examples. intaglio Jan 2013 #18
You yourself mentioned five. rug Jan 2013 #21
Nice dodge, doesn't work intaglio Jan 2013 #22
You have a lot of misindformation but there's no dodging. rug Jan 2013 #23
Actually you are still dodging intaglio Jan 2013 #24
I'm educating you not dodging you. rug Jan 2013 #27
I asked about 2 points in respect of a woman and a man intaglio Jan 2013 #28
You seem more eager to damn people than the Church does. rug Jan 2013 #29
In my world people are not damned intaglio Jan 2013 #30
"miss-spelled"? rug Jan 2013 #31
No responses of worth? intaglio Jan 2013 #32
Which ones say that? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #20
One of the best comebacks jamtoday Jan 2013 #16
Your friend may be overestimating the divine penetration. Josephus' records dimbear Jan 2013 #25
Pascal had it ass backwards Fumesucker Jan 2013 #19
Writing about Pascal's Wager without bringing up its well-known flaws? Silent3 Jan 2013 #26
"Pascal's wager" is a sophomoric little argument struggle4progress Jan 2013 #33
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