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In reply to the discussion: God, guns and guts, eh? [View all]

eomer

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26. I disagree that "there has developed a hatred of the religious" in our country.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:09 AM
Jan 2013

What I do see developing is fervent disagreement with the religious, still by a relatively small minority. And this minority is gradually finding its voice and coming out. The coming out has some range to it - some merely state publicly that they are not religious, others argue the reasons why they are not religious, and a small minority of the minority express out loud what many of the others believe but keep silent about: that the beliefs of (most of) the religious are without foundation and therefore absurd.

Meanwhile, even the mildest of this range can get you ostracized - I had the rumors run through my extended family after I silently stood during the pledge of allegiance at my nephew's graduation ceremony.

What I don't see in this country is any faction, even small, that goes so far that it could be called "hatred of the religious". But I'm here to learn, please make your case and I will gladly listen.

Let me add that the definition of "religious" makes a difference here. From reading this group for a while I've come to the conclusion that some of the "religious" here say so little that I'm not sure it should be called religious. For example, some seem to say no more than that God is that which goes beyond what we can know. That seems to me to be nothing more than semantics and nothing much that atheists would disagree with. Call it X or call it God, all it is is still whatever we can't know, which atheists agree will likely always exist.

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God, guns and guts, eh? [View all] mr blur Jan 2013 OP
Would not last 2 days! DryRain Jan 2013 #1
The US was founded both on the principle of freedom from religion and freedom of religion. cbayer Jan 2013 #2
I disagree that "there has developed a hatred of the religious" in our country. eomer Jan 2013 #26
I have no problem with legitimate or constructive critiscism or even condemnation. cbayer Jan 2013 #37
We agree, but I'm not sure we draw the line at the same point. eomer Jan 2013 #39
IMO, there are atheists (et. al.) and anti-theists. cbayer Jan 2013 #41
I agree with much of that. eomer Jan 2013 #42
I think we share basically the same views on these things. cbayer Jan 2013 #43
Whoa dude, I'm not sure quite where you're coming from on this. Decka Jan 2013 #8
Nice qualification there. trotsky Jan 2013 #11
Yes, but.. Decka Jan 2013 #14
Oh, a good reason can be given for killing nonbelievers? trotsky Jan 2013 #15
This is where the discussion reaches an impasse Decka Jan 2013 #16
Human life as everything? What? trotsky Jan 2013 #18
I don't think you're getting it. Decka Jan 2013 #23
What "evidence" could there possibly be for what your god wants? Are you qualified to judge this? mr blur Jan 2013 #24
Dangerous? Decka Jan 2013 #34
You have a SERIOUS lack of morals, ethics and humanity Marrah_G Jan 2013 #47
You're right. I'm not getting any sense of morality from you. trotsky Jan 2013 #25
Morality is subjective Decka Jan 2013 #31
We're not 'getting it' Shadowflash Jan 2013 #27
You certainly are a master debater Decka Jan 2013 #32
Well, ya know. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #35
Well then Decka Jan 2013 #36
Now *here* you're quite correct - they were "excellent points" mr blur Jan 2013 #40
Christian God or Muslim God? DryRain Jan 2013 #28
"God can kill whoever he wants, I'm certainly cool with that, he's the reason I'm alive. " cleanhippie Jan 2013 #29
Hmmmm Decka Jan 2013 #33
Would that be the message of love that brought about the crusades Marrah_G Jan 2013 #46
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #17
This reply was not hidden by Jury decision. Make7 Jan 2013 #44
Actually religion has been commanding people to kill others since the beginning of time Marrah_G Jan 2013 #45
He's probably got a shelfful of Ayn Rand too. rug Jan 2013 #3
That's probably true. Prolly toyed with "Atheist Armaments" dimbear Jan 2013 #6
Unlikely, unless he's completely confused - mr blur Jan 2013 #10
Never let facts get in the way. jeepnstein Jan 2013 #13
Hey, anything for a buck. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #4
Not surprising at all. Obama's comments about religion and guns was prophetic, cbayer Jan 2013 #5
WWJS? meow2u3 Jan 2013 #7
This is so far removed from what Jesus taught. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #9
Most of Christianity is far removed from the alleged teachings of jesus. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #12
How do you know what Jesus taught? trotsky Jan 2013 #19
Read the new testament and the secret gospels and you can get an idea. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #20
Your original statement did not indicate it was merely your opinion, trotsky Jan 2013 #21
I am sorry Trotsky for getting testy. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #22
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being "testy." trotsky Jan 2013 #30
The best reference for a violent Rambo type Jesus is the Infancy Gospel of Thomas: dimbear Jan 2013 #38
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