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In reply to the discussion: The Atheists Conundrum [View all]Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)25. It is not that they believe, it is WHAT they believe
When President Obama put his hand on that Bible, he was giving his endorsement, his stamp of approval, to that system of beliefs. He was saying, "This is legitimate, this is true, this stuff is so real that even the President of the United States wouldn't dare take violate an oath made in this way." The same applies to the prayers, services, and the many shout-outs to god over the course of these festivities. Clearly, these people, the President and Vice President, the Supreme Court Justices, the many many speakers, the leaders and role models of this nation, clearly they must ALL believe.
God wasnt just a witness here, he was center stage, and after the President and Vice President, no one was mentioned more. That wasnt just an endorsement it was star billing. We might as well have put the word JESUS up there in lights.
But what is it that they believe?
The bible that President Obama and all of these people just endorsed teaches that gays and lesbians must be murdered. It teaches that woman are inferior and mentally deficient, that their proper role is to be subservient to men, that they are unworthy to speak when one of their male betters is speaking, that at certain times of the month they are unclean and disgusting. That this is a curse god has laid upon them for their leadership role in the fall of man.
This same book teaches that blacks are deserving of slavery and segregation. The largest denomination in America, the Southern Baptist Conference, was FOUNDED on this moral premise.
It teaches that sex for purposes other than reproduction is a crime in the eyes of the Lord, that sodomy and adultery and sex for the fun of sex, must be punished by torturing the practitioners to death. Nor does the carnage stop there; the list of crimes for which a person should be tortured and killed is far too long to bother with here.
It teaches that the earth in only 6000 years old, that man was crafted from dirt, and woman created from that man to serve as his helper and joyless sexual receptacle. It teaches that knowledge and reason are not just sins, but the original sin that led to the fall of man.
It teaches that men should spend their lives in mindless slavery to god and his earthly representatives. It teaches that men should happily live in misery here on this earth, that they should welcome suffering and persecution and injustice, in the hope of better times once they are dead.
Now some reading this are saying:
I dont believe all of THAT! I believe in this part, and that bit over there, but the rest not so much.
And thats fine. You believe in some parts, I believe in none, but when our leaders stood up there and gave their endorsement, they were endorsing all of it, even if they had mental reservations at the time.
You dont want Creationism taught in schools. You dont believe unmarried couples should be dragged screaming into the town square to be stoned to death. You dont believe that we should execute a girl who is not a virgin at marriage. You dont believe we should round up and slaughter those who work on Saturday. You dont believe its okay to murder disobedient children or to burn witches. In fact, no one who will read this believes the ridiculous story in the Bible. At best, they believe a highly edited and interpreted version as told to them by some guy in a church asking for money. Jesus loves all the little children, amen.
But what does President Obama believe? More important, why in the hell are we even having a conversation about this insane bullshit? Why are we STILL excusing or demanding that our leaders take part in Stone Age magic rituals?
Enough is enough.
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That was my first thought of a Reply. What on Earth does any of it matter, next to how we treat one
patrice
Jan 2013
#9
It's one of those things that once you become aware of it you can never quite completely ignore
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#14
I understand atheism & its critique of religion & I agree with it to the extent of the limits inhere
patrice
Jan 2013
#19
Losers in the sense that if you are a thoughtful person it's hard not to be alienated
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#7
k, I don't know which threads specifically you are referring to. The one's I saw usually began with
patrice
Jan 2013
#17
Nadine, cali and Will Pitt all found it necessary to pen OPs to dump on the atheists
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#18
I'm sorry they were un-necessarily disrespectful. We're all like that, including me. & I'm not sure
patrice
Jan 2013
#20
It's not the mention of theism not be fact based, because it clearly is not fact based.
cbayer
Jan 2013
#42
I think most to all of us, even skeptics, view some imaginary things as real.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2013
#12
As a fellow Atheist, there is a third option, and it's not quite the dilemma you think it is...
Moonwalk
Jan 2013
#16
Well, perhaps you should stop supporting them, making it easier for them to get away with it.
mr blur
Jan 2013
#79
Is it your contention then that everyone should be bothered or not bothered by the same things?
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#36
I'm not trying to wage a war, that's where you are entirely missing my point.
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#40
You are generally a very positive poster, so I truly do not understand where you are coming
cbayer
Jan 2013
#41
There's some big chunks of American culture that I do not buy at all, that leave me feeling
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#43
Every single word or metaphor I can think of to use to describe my feelings is offensive to theists
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#58
You were called a troll by a fellow atheist who often shares your point of view in
cbayer
Jan 2013
#53
When atheists start having a worldview that exists outside of reality, you will have a point.
cleanhippie
Jan 2013
#50
It doesn't bother me that people believe in different things than I do. People believe in all sorts
robinlynne
Jan 2013
#51
Well that's not a psychosis. That's a personality, which may or may not represent a disorder.
cbayer
Jan 2013
#70
Personality doesn't refer to mental processes that affect the perception of reality
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#71
I think that the answers you seek are held in fields other than psychiatry or even psychology.
cbayer
Jan 2013
#88
And that would be accurate too! Because it's atheists that believe dead people come back to life...
cleanhippie
Jan 2013
#102
So a republican who doesn't believe that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim is delusional?
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#105