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Manifestor_of_Light

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107. Would somebody answer my question?

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 04:35 PM

Jan 2013

Nirvana is not salvation, and there is no savior or substitutionary atonement. According to Hinduism and Buddhism, you are supposed to live a moral life, and there are no contradictions in the morality, unlike the many contradictions in the incoherent bible.

I took religion courses at a very highly rated Presbyterian college. My religion professors had doctorates from Princeton University (Presbyterian) and Harvard Divinity School. That good enough?

This was not some unaccredited snake-handling holy roller Bible thumper college.

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I Really Hope You Accept The Beauty Of The Christian Message Someday. [View all] cleanhippie Jan 2013 OP

Where did you get that cartoon rug Jan 2013 #1

If you don't believe that cartoon you are so going to Hell! longship Jan 2013 #2

If the pastor believes that he probably believes Hell is in Bakersfield. rug Jan 2013 #5

Let me tell you, Hell IS in Bakerfield. longship Jan 2013 #8

Tulsa OK? Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #27

I've been to Tulsa....gak. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #32

Obviously you have not been to Hoboken, New Jersey Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #74

ROFL! Touch�. longship Jan 2013 #75

Do you know about the three layers of a black hole? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #116

From the Christians that knock on my door, for starters. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #4

I am proud to say that the last time the Jehovah's Witnesses came to my door, rug Jan 2013 #6

. patrice Jan 2013 #10

Oh, I have no problem with the JW's, it's the other christians giving your religion the bad name. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #11

Frankly, I have yet to be cowed by pushy Christians. rug Jan 2013 #13

that would be rude. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #28

Well, simply expressing that rudeness online to perfect strangers hardly seems an improvement rug Jan 2013 #39

i concur. but it is *easier* so more likely to happen anyway Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #96

Sure, right now. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #41

Where do you live? MrModerate Jan 2013 #105

i told them my ideas of christ`s message is different than thiers madrchsod Jan 2013 #17

That's good -- and pretty much how I feel. gateley Jan 2013 #51

We Episcopalians do not go door to door. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #21

might explain something about your dwindling numbers. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #29

is it true larwdem Jan 2013 #101

It might. But I can tell you both from experience and data that Jehovah's Witness door-to-door Schema Thing Jan 2013 #102

'Original sin.' earthside Jan 2013 #7

I'm familiar with it and it doesn't say a thing about filthy disgusting worms. rug Jan 2013 #9

It says you are sinful and flawed from birth. God is a crooked prosecutor Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #24

While I don't froth at the mouth over it like you, kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #31

There are several kind ones in Hinduism. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #33

Let's take a look at that. rug Jan 2013 #38

Original Sin claims that even babies are tainted. white_wolf Jan 2013 #100

No, that is not what original sin is Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #77

I did not see tama Jan 2013 #91

no but it does say we are flawed at birth. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #30

And so we are. rug Jan 2013 #37

All of us? tama Jan 2013 #53

Some are better than others but none are perfect. rug Jan 2013 #54

IF tama Jan 2013 #55

That's interesting, sort of like the question that was put to Eve. rug Jan 2013 #58

In other words tama Jan 2013 #61

Exactly. rug Jan 2013 #64

Planck scale tama Jan 2013 #67

The concept of "original sin" is flawed and not consistent with Genesis. SarahM32 Jan 2013 #89

Very good point tama Jan 2013 #90

Then God should have made Adam and Eve incurious. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #118

I have a different concept of "Creation." SarahM32 Jan 2013 #119

First you say original sin is "not consistent Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #120

We are flawed at birth? By what measure? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #57

By the capacity to hurt one another. rug Jan 2013 #60

That's a flaw? Again, by what measure? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #63

Tell me under what circumstance it is desirable to hurt one another. rug Jan 2013 #65

I'm not sure it is ever, but you claimed it was a flaw. So I ask, by what measure? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #70

That is a principal measure. You don't consider causing conscious harm to be a flaw? rug Jan 2013 #80

Kindly refrain from answering the question with a question, and just answer plainly. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #81

I did answer it. You simply don't like the answer. rug Jan 2013 #83

Bullshit needs no refutation. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #85

Oh, that's persuasive! rug Jan 2013 #87

More persuasive than the bullshit you provided. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #92

I can't possibly refute that. rug Jan 2013 #95

Those babies are going to hell ... earthside Jan 2013 #76

No but they're sure to live in a world where worse things happen than fighting over toys. rug Jan 2013 #79

You claimed we are flawed at birth. That we are inherently flawed from the start. By what measure? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #82

Kindly refrain from asking the same question in two different places. rug Jan 2013 #84

Kindly refrain from giving bullshit questions as answers. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #86

Kindly refrain from asking bullshit questions. rug Jan 2013 #88

Is it bullshit to ask by what measure you use to say we are flawed from birth? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #93

Yes, when you ask it twice. rug Jan 2013 #94

Were done. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #98

There is a beauty to the Christian message. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #3

Indeed there is Freddie Jan 2013 #12

How do you know they're wrong? EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2013 #14

Who else? tama Jan 2013 #46

+++1 It's a little limited, but this is an analogy I used a bit ago: Just because a whole bunch of patrice Jan 2013 #15

What about the many hateful things Jesus allegedly said? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #25

thank you. esp. that last bit about 'synthesis' Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #97

I saw this today...it reinforces what you say here deutsey Jan 2013 #18

I would disagree with you on this... rexcat Jan 2013 #22

Well some people just find it odd or just not believable. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #23

So you believe in something... rexcat Jan 2013 #121

Christianity has never been logical, but as i said i still believe in it. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #122

Starting premise of ALL xtianity is original sin; therefore harmful. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #34

Where did you learn abcout Christianity? Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #73

"doctrine of original sin is not Around"? What does that mean? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #99

true the xtian concept of salvation rests of original sin Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #103

Would somebody answer my question? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #107

Nirvana tama Jan 2013 #108

ok but i could do without the appeal to authority Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #109

The person asked where I learned about Christianity, Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #115

The substitutionary theory of the atonement was introduced by a guy named Anselm in the 11th century Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #110

"Unadorned prejudice" Goblinmonger Jan 2013 #114

The Christians here keep denying the cruel & punitive doctrines of their religion. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #117

Without certain magical rites, baptism etc. you are eternally irrevocably scroomed. dimbear Jan 2013 #16

Try having an honest look at what modern Christians are saying. Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #111

I try to keep up. dimbear Jan 2013 #112

I never believed in that part. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #19

Pretty accurate actually Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #20

That is why it is good to be a Dragon Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #71

Put a twenty . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #26

"God ALWAYS needs money!" -- George Carlin Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #35

True that! another_liberal Jan 2013 #40

Cartoonish exaggeration tama Jan 2013 #36

No, it's not cartoonish. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #42

On the contrary tama Jan 2013 #44

Have you ever been told you can be difficult to talk to? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #47

Don't worry tama Jan 2013 #48

By think, do you mean the rational attempt to quantify cleanhippie Jan 2013 #49

Just this babble in the head tama Jan 2013 #50

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What I see tama Jan 2013 #59

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* tama Jan 2013 #106

Do you get this drivel from a book or do you just make it up? mr blur Jan 2013 #66

Do you really want to know? nt tama Jan 2013 #68

Not even Sarah Palin's books have this much DryRain Jan 2013 #69

Tibetan Buddhists like big hats tama Jan 2013 #72

I've NEVER seen a Buddhist, a Hindu, or a Jew proselytizing. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #43

I meant no negative connotation with "missionary" tama Jan 2013 #45

Haha! It's really sad how most organized religions (greedy men) have distorted the messages of gateley Jan 2013 #52

And you wonder why their are Agnostics....... wandy Jan 2013 #78

OK. That was funny. And not what I was expecting when I read the headline. n/t MrModerate Jan 2013 #104

This Atheist likes Jesus, it's his followers who drive me crazy. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #113