Religion

Phillip McCleod

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42. at the time i was arguing that we already do live 'in anarchy'

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:11 AM

Jan 2013

that its the underlying ontological state within which we act and have always acted and always will. that we build order and devolve into chaos all within a state of anarchy. that human laws are not imperative we are free to speed on the highway and the police are free to pull us over. that laws are patterns emerging from complexity.

doesn't mean there won't be robocops because in anarchy we are free to invent and use them too.

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Don’t Replace Religion; End It [View all] cleanhippie Jan 2013 OP

Penn Jillette at his clearest. djean111 Jan 2013 #1

"I just want its influence over things ended" That pretty much sums up most non-believers. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #3

Cool tama Jan 2013 #2

"We don’t need to replace tribalism with anything other than love for all humanity. " Jim__ Jan 2013 #8

Who said "Yes we can"? tama Jan 2013 #12

Penn Jillette. Jim__ Jan 2013 #13

And many others tama Jan 2013 #14

I don't have a problem with accepting things on faith. Jim__ Jan 2013 #30

Yes, the contradiction is easy to point to tama Jan 2013 #31

This OP is a simple but very good explaination why the human race would be better off without ladjf Jan 2013 #4

Agreed. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #6

Unfortunately, or fortunately as the case may be, history shows that explanation to be wrong. humblebum Jan 2013 #15

IMO, history has shown that religion has been bad for the human race more often than not. ladjf Jan 2013 #22

As long as there are declared atheists there will be religion. nt humblebum Jan 2013 #5

There will always be religion - but it has nothing to do with the existence of 'declared atheists' LeftishBrit Jan 2013 #63

So who said that it did? But you have validated my statement that humblebum Jan 2013 #64

Mr. Gillette apparently hasn't read the Bill of Rights. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #7

Mr. Jillette is an outspoken narrow-minded bigot. He has made the statement humblebum Jan 2013 #9

That's hilarious amuse bouche Jan 2013 #16

It is highly likely you are dealing with one right now. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #18

Perhaps try reading it again. He is not calling for a ban. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #10

Where did i say he was calling for a ban? I was critiquing the credibility and motivations of humblebum Jan 2013 #11

He IS calling for a ban on religion Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #20

No, he is not. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #36

He is calling for the ABOLITION of religion Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #43

Your attempts to insert words and meaning not there will not change his actual words and meaning. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #45

A strange postion for a self-described libertarian. rug Jan 2013 #17

Once more the atheist bigots get to trot out their bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #19

Maybe if Penn was openly bigoted in the article that would be true Promethean Jan 2013 #21

This particular article by him is not what solely identifies him as such. It's the humblebum Jan 2013 #23

Sorry, but saying that religion should be abolished for the greater good IS bigoted Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #25

He says lots of supid things. rug Jan 2013 #33

Wow! Sounds like him and Glenn Beck are marching to the same imaginary drummer. Jim__ Jan 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author mr blur Jan 2013 #27

Get a new whine, this one's already getting old. Get over yourself. mr blur Jan 2013 #29

"Religion is often just tribalism" - has he bothered to investigate the history of humblebum Jan 2013 #24

if he has then like most atheists today he probably found it wanting Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #38

But, but, but, but......MILITANT ATHEISTS! MILITANT ATHEISTS!!! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #49

ah yes well lest we forget for one moment Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #50

I guess the same could be said for your anti-religious blatherings, which humblebum Jan 2013 #62

"today's atheist movement... humblebum Jan 2013 #55

pathetic. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #56

But oh so true, and a little more so than you would admit. humblebum Jan 2013 #59

I agree religion should end and it will for the vast majority. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #26

Can someone point me to the Theist that says this? LARED Jan 2013 #28

i had a cop ask me more or less that exact question one time. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #39

Good answer tama Jan 2013 #41

at the time i was arguing that we already do live 'in anarchy' Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #42

Natural state, yup. tama Jan 2013 #44

i see it as more value-neutral than that Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #46

My "value theory" tama Jan 2013 #47

i do agree that anarchic solutions to complex problems Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #48

Yes, tama Jan 2013 #51

so true that they (incl. we) are "excellent examples of anarchic organization" Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #57

Hierarchy of dependencies tama Jan 2013 #58

Believe only what I want you to believe. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #32

Well said! Jim__ Jan 2013 #34

The premise is strange to me because atheism and religion are compatable. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #37

true and not just zen. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #40

Philosophical Taoism as well deutsey Jan 2013 #60

Religion just Dpm12 Jan 2013 #52

Sorry can't resist tama Jan 2013 #53

Faulty comparisons. okasha Jan 2013 #54

That's just, like, uh, your opinion, man deutsey Jan 2013 #61