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napoleon_in_rags

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45. Hey, nice little boat GIF.

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:08 PM

Jan 2013

For them, it wasn't about control really, it was about salvation.

"Self determination" may have been a better word for me to use than "control". Its that idea that you can do something about your circumstances through faith, that are beyond your control in the physical world. Black slaves wouldn't have tied it to their desires - their "sin" was their clearly skin color, and only salvation was thus in the next life. But I think that desire for self-determination is universal.

As far the "nones", if I were a Christian I would be miffed at Republicans. You had things like the orchestrated takeover of the Southern Baptist convention for political gain. All the capital the church built over centuries being burned to advocate tax cuts for the rich and wars, things Jesus never talked about. And of course, the "nones"
http://www.religionnews.com/2012/12/18/unbelief-is-now-the-worlds-third-largest-religion/
are as a result growing rapidly.

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�Atheist pro-lifer�? Not an oxymoron [View all] rug Jan 2013 OP

This should come as no surprise. cbayer Jan 2013 #1

They received some interesting reactions. rug Jan 2013 #3

No true scotsman! cbayer Jan 2013 #5

She doesn't understand the science of reproduction, apparently. MADem Jan 2013 #2

There's no willing womb involved in a pregnancy that's the result of rape. rug Jan 2013 #4

It doesn't matter what the reason for the pregnancy is. If the woman does not want to be pregnant, MADem Jan 2013 #7

Then your analogy fails. rug Jan 2013 #8

What analogy? I'm am pro-choice, plain and simple. It's not your business and it's not mine. MADem Jan 2013 #10

Your analogy about reproduction. rug Jan 2013 #11

It's about an "atheist pro-lifer" who claims that a clump of cells is a human being because MADem Jan 2013 #20

This is interesting. rug Jan 2013 #23

When the clump of cells forms a body and brain and can live outside a host. MADem Jan 2013 #24

I noticed you called this classic wedge-driving below. rug Jan 2013 #25

I don't know. I do know that a bit of vociferous argument occurred over Obama MADem Jan 2013 #27

That was not a one-time thing if you've been following along. rug Jan 2013 #31

Because I have google. This woman is very suddenly everywhere. nt MADem Jan 2013 #34

There is no reproduction without gestation nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #29

Why is that? cbayer Jan 2013 #6

Something smells "off" to me. MADem Jan 2013 #9

Oh, she definitely has an agenda. cbayer Jan 2013 #13

She wouldn't be the first atheist who is anti-Obama. rug Jan 2013 #16

Of course. Probably the worst political pro-lifer in history was atheist Ceaucescu. Nevertheless, LeftishBrit Jan 2013 #12

shouldn't that be atheist anti-choicer? n/t 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #14

If they're advocating repeal as well, yes. rug Jan 2013 #15

Where does it say that lack of belief in gods requires support for abortion? mr blur Jan 2013 #17

It doesn't. Why you can even be a misogynist xenophobe as well. rug Jan 2013 #18

Nowhere, but she is meeting some pretty heated resistance from some within the cbayer Jan 2013 #19

This is CLASSIC wedge-driving. She wants to appeal to "jaded youth" who adapt a sarcastic, MADem Jan 2013 #21

You could be right and time will most likely tell. cbayer Jan 2013 #32

I'd settle for a world okasha Jan 2013 #22

If the fundies in Congress wouldn't make it difficult and expensive for women MADem Jan 2013 #26

A moment of Devil's advocacy: napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #28

If current trends continue tama Jan 2013 #30

Man, I should have gone Amish. Its all about the beards. nt napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #43

I can't for the life of me figure out how you see a pro-life agenda cbayer Jan 2013 #33

Its honestly more of a hypothetical question. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #36

Good points, but I doubt you mean to suggest that abortion be outlawed cbayer Jan 2013 #38

abortion should not be outlawed. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #40

Well, it's an interesting question. cbayer Jan 2013 #41

Yeah, good question. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #42

I saw an interesting documentary on the religious beliefs of African American slaves. cbayer Jan 2013 #44

Hey, nice little boat GIF. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #45

I think self determination is a great term. cbayer Jan 2013 #46

Ever since I knew of the Log Cabin Republicans, nothing surprises me anymore. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #35

The correct response is 'So?' uriel1972 Jan 2013 #37

But...but...but... IT"S AN ATHEIST THAT THINKS THAT WAY!!!!!!!!!!! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #39