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rhett o rick

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15. Morals are independent from religion.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jan 2013
Regarding the view you posited that some people come to atheism by lack of evidence, whether that is a good or not depends upon one's view of applying the scientific method across the board.


I would certainly entertain evidence that people "come to atheism" by other than lack of evidence. The cornerstone of religions is "faith" which totally falls outside of anything scientific.

To say that atheism is literally unconcerned with morality is not bigotry but a simple fact. It is an entirely different statement from claiming that a person lacks morals or is a nihilist because that person is an atheist.


Please, that is a strawman argument. This is what I actually said, "To characterize those that dont believe in the existence of evidence of God as believing in nothing is absurd and may even be viewed as bigoted." First of all simply stating that something is "a simple fact", does not advance the argument. It isnt a "simple fact". Secondly, since there is no creed for atheists, neither you nor anyone else can characterize what atheists are concerned or unconcerned with.

Once again, atheism is not a religion, it has no creed. There is no church, no bible, no agreed belief other than the common disbelief that evidence exists, not faith, but evidence, that there is a God. Many people that are labeled atheists decline to accept that label.

Morals are independent from religion.
What is it then? rug Jan 2013 #1
It can be a lack of belief Fumesucker Jan 2013 #2
Is it therefore defined entirely by the negative? rug Jan 2013 #3
In my view, there is a positive content to atheism... eallen Jan 2013 #8
You described rejection, not anything positive or new. rug Jan 2013 #9
Positive, in the sense of something believed, rather than something not believed. eallen Jan 2013 #11
Are you familar with Atheism+? rug Jan 2013 #12
Consider this tama Jan 2013 #20
It is a strong argument that infants are, in fact, atheists. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #14
And rocks? eallen Jan 2013 #17
Fair enough. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #22
Well, you're the one who's obsessed with atheism. (Nice evasion of the point of the OP, b.t.w.) mr blur Jan 2013 #4
More bemused than obsesed. (Nice answer to my question BTW.) rug Jan 2013 #5
It's nothing. jeff47 Jan 2013 #6
It is a label that is broadly given to people, whether they accept it or not, rhett o rick Jan 2013 #10
At best it's neutral. rug Jan 2013 #13
Morals are independent from religion. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #15
They are independent of atheism. rug Jan 2013 #16
I agree that morals are independent of atheism because atheism isnt a religion. It doesnt rhett o rick Jan 2013 #18
Not to quibble but there are many nonreligious sources of morals and ethics. rug Jan 2013 #19
I think we agree. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #26
You never made the claim that morals may come from atheism. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #23
And tama Jan 2013 #25
About what? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #28
You tell me tama Jan 2013 #29
Interesting question. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #31
From above tama Jan 2013 #32
Perhaps you overlooked this part? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #33
Thanks for the invite tama Jan 2013 #34
That is really unfortunate. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #36
OK, maybe I'll make a post there. :) tama Jan 2013 #37
Believing in Nothing has a very different meaning to some people starroute Jan 2013 #7
Christian Neoplatonism tama Jan 2013 #21
The Irish monks were in direct contact with the Eastern church starroute Jan 2013 #35
God doesn't like smart alecks? dimbear Jan 2013 #24
they believe in reality Skittles Jan 2013 #27
That is not required by atheism tama Jan 2013 #30
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