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145. There's no point in attacking "religion" as it is meaningless

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #117)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:30 PM

Jan 2013

The attacks are against the beliefs. Believers spend much of their time ignoring or excusing the blatant hypocrisies and contradictions in their system of belief. They are aided by scholars unafraid to fabricate justifications for the tricks of the mind practised by those believers.

You allow that Dawkins and Myers are correct in their castigation of creationists but fail to see that the time worn babble that comes from "theologians" can be attacked because of its ignorance of logic, philosophy and, all too often, history. How often have you heard that irrational piece of nonsense the "Kalam Cosmological Hypothesis" uttered as a foundational argument by theologians? How many theologians practise "Presupositionalism", pretending that you have to presuppose a deity to argue against the existence of that same?

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How To Identify A Hoax Religion [View all] cleanhippie Jan 2013 OP

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #1

Project much? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #2

Your stupid meme is designed to do nothing but piss people off. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #4

Your stupid post is designed to do nothing but piss people off. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #8

Well, you just proved how serious you are with this thread. I sincerely apologize. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #11

Just following your lead. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #12

No, you're demonstrating that you have nothing to offer. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #15

No, you're demonstrating that you have nothing to offer. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #17

actually this proves that religion has nothing to offer. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #152

Then debate it Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #16

Have you looked at his responses? He proved me 100% correct. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #19

I responded to the wrong poster ..... my mistake ........... sorry Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #21

Nice dodge. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #23

please reread my post #21 ..... I edited it Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #25

"Hoax religion. What bullshit." cleanhippie Jan 2013 #28

That's a great question! Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #29

Bye! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #31

Make yourself at home, you're among fellow-travellers here. mr blur Jan 2013 #34

Agree. I hypothesize that it is designed to drive off high-level participation in the question & patrice Jan 2013 #35

The OP is just another version of okasha Jan 2013 #90

What's funny is that even from the athiest perspective OP content is not right. It's not a valid patrice Jan 2013 #91

Yes, and it's unlikely to persuade anyone to change. freshwest Jan 2013 #140

Patrice, that's right, but you may need to dumb that down for the viewing audience. Just sayin' freshwest Jan 2013 #141

Yes. I don't know how to supply so much that is missing. People MUST start reading more broadly. patrice Jan 2013 #142

Agreed, and hang in there. Not great outdoor weather here, either. I'll bet it's very cold there. freshwest Jan 2013 #143

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #59

No, that's a troll, cleanhippie Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #5

You mad, bro? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #9

I personally would like to see your arguments against religion Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #10

Me too! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #14

Have faith Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #18

Like that will ever happen... rexcat Apr 2013 #188

Ah yes, with your "MA in History of Religion (Harvard)", eh? mr blur Jan 2013 #36

As usual, you have no clue skepticscott Jan 2013 #52

I love that story. Leontius Jan 2013 #60

I especially love the one about the guy who cannot post without personal attacks... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #66

Oh, I understand the Courtier's Reply very well Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #117

Nope, you don't. trotsky Jan 2013 #119

Oh, I understand it VERY well. Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #120

Sorry but no, you absolutely do not. trotsky Jan 2013 #121

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #148

If You REALLY Believe DU Is Full Of Bigoted Ignorant Atheists HangOnKids Jan 2013 #128

I didn't say that DU is "full of bigoted ignorant atheists" Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #137

Oh, please Act_of_Reparation Jan 2013 #158

As they say "Nail meets head!" Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #122

Good job he got a post hidden? trotsky Jan 2013 #150

So what? I shouldn't agree with someone who had a post hidden? Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #157

It's fine to agree with someone. trotsky Jan 2013 #161

And what was abusive about that post? Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #166

You go right on praising the behavior you want to see. trotsky Feb 2013 #169

And you go on making false accusations and sowing seeds of discontent. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #170

So says the guy admonishing against... trotsky Feb 2013 #172

You got it! Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #174

Some smart guy once said about a person who got posts hidden in religion Goblinmonger Jan 2013 #154

Did the post I responded to get hidden? Right, I thought not. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #159

There's no point in attacking "religion" as it is meaningless intaglio Jan 2013 #145

Bingo! RC Jan 2013 #162

Still waiting to see your arguments against religion.... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #110

Um...It says mzteris Jan 2013 #3

Great point! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #111

If it worships something or someone, it's a hoax religion. lastlib Jan 2013 #6

Amen! MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #7

This is a pathetic case instead ofthe real case AGAINST religion-interesting that you don't knowthat patrice Jan 2013 #38

I loved the graphic in the OP and I'm sending it to an athiest friend of mine. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #64

Religion Is Dangerous. Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #13

+37 Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #20

Bravo amuse bouche Jan 2013 #104

Same old thing day in and day out, huh hippie? nt humblebum Jan 2013 #22

Some internet critters don't know a flying-phuck what they are talking about & don't care. nt patrice Jan 2013 #26

Points 1-5 are the traits of rationalism NOT faith. Wouldn't the ineffable by its very nature NOT patrice Jan 2013 #24

Holy crap, that's one of the forehead-slappiest posts I've ever read at DU EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2013 #49

He is really, really angry with me! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #51

What the ?????/ trixie Jan 2013 #54

I read that post over and over 3 times. DryRain Jan 2013 #115

You go, cleanhippie... Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #27

I'm always amazed at how questioning an idea produces such outrage. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #30

Agreed Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #32

Oh please Leontius Jan 2013 #61

Oh, bull shit. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #58

For all your bluster and blather in this thread, you have said nothing of substance and have only cleanhippie Jan 2013 #65

You had the chance for a discussion, but you mocked me instead. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #67

Your very first response was a personal attack. Your. Very. First. Response. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #70

You keep waving goodbye, but you just cannot leave it alone. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #74

It's my OP. Why would I leave it? You, OTOH, are free to scurry away at anytime. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #75

...Easily done. mr blur Jan 2013 #93

Too bad it isn't an authentic representation of the issue & it's related questions, so it could & patrice Jan 2013 #33

What would be "an authentic representation of the issue & it's related questions"? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #37

I suggest that you go do some BROAD reading on the subject, while I go do some housework. patrice Jan 2013 #39

I take it you are gonna go with keep complaining then? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #42

They will never get it trixie Jan 2013 #55

"...I could hurt someone who is just out of their league and doesn't know it." Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #41

You have a problem with people being confident of their skills? Hmmm, that's interesting. patrice Jan 2013 #96

& Reading comprehension? I said that I'm uncomfortable with the possibility of hurting someone. patrice Jan 2013 #98

"I suspect I could hurt someone" - that could be the funniest post the Religion group has ever seen muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #100

Careful you don't fall off that high horse mr blur Jan 2013 #92

The truth isn't a high horse. OP is wrong, not even supporting the case FOR atheism. nt patrice Jan 2013 #95

HOW is it wrong? You have blustered all over this thread saying that, but have yet to support it. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #112

I'll not let you exploit me, cleanhippie& it'd be better for you, great rationalist that you are, to patrice Jan 2013 #114

IOW, you cant't or won't. Either way youv'e done nothing but attack ME. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #116

You appear to live on another planet, far away from here - mr blur Jan 2013 #118

What if the diety possess a human being? flamingdem Jan 2013 #40

Is that actually a deity possessing a human? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #43

I've seen this several times and it's quite amazing flamingdem Jan 2013 #45

I do not doubt you have witnessed something strange. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #46

Of course it's culturally defined flamingdem Jan 2013 #47

At risk of sounding redundant... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #48

As you know there is no one answer flamingdem Jan 2013 #53

I think you are spot on regarding the culture. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #62

I take it you're an atheist! flamingdem Jan 2013 #63

I'm quite positive there's no such "thing" tama Jan 2013 #97

You have clearly never heard of Gary Gygax. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #84

Are you KIDDING me? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #86

Then you should know at least one human has been possessed by one or more deities. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #87

Isn't it more the other the other way around? Silent3 Jan 2013 #106

You just might be right. Perhaps Gygax is UltraGod! nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #107

Starting to form hypotheses here re $20.@hr. internet-writers & people looking for FREE-SCHOOL patrice Jan 2013 #44

This OP really has you angry, doesn't it? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #50

Good post. Looks like you are having a moment of clarity. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Jan 2013 #124

Hey buddy! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #125

No problem. Keep up the good work. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #131

You bet! Your approval means so much! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #138

So sweet! Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #139

Religion is like playing the lottery... socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #56

They're the ones dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #57

not this crap again.... madrchsod Jan 2013 #68

I know, right? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #113

It'd be interesting to EvilAL Jan 2013 #69

Look at the hatred and outrage is has produced here! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #71

People can't answer it EvilAL Jan 2013 #73

I can't speak for any institution, yet it could be argued in personal terms that neither pinto Jan 2013 #85

True, and EvilAL Jan 2013 #88

I'd like to argue with you sometime but you never seem to post anything that ... BlueJazz Jan 2013 #81

I do, BlueJazz, I do! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #83

agreed, 100 percent.... mike_c Jan 2013 #72

Is this a trick question? nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #76

Nope. And so far, no one has been able to answer it. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #77

The answer is, they all are. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #78

That would seem to be the case. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #79

See? It is a trick question! I knew it! Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #80

Asking for money and promising a reward in the afterlife it was the first scam invented. Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #82

+1 cleanhippie Jan 2013 #89

Seems as if no one can answer that question. But... DryRain Jan 2013 #94

Since the pro side here seems paralyzed, let me help you out a bit. Real witnessed miracles, dimbear Jan 2013 #99

Is this sarcasm? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2013 #130

The inaugural miracles, when Vespasian first ascended to the emperorship, witnessed by a crowd dimbear Jan 2013 #134

Imgur is almost a good a source of theology a reddit. rug Jan 2013 #101

People worship amuse bouche Jan 2013 #102

This is why I am a secular humanist UU Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #103

Absolutely perfect. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #105

Notice how BuzzClick and Patrice both attacked me personally, over and over and over. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #109

Do you have a feeling of accomplishment, then? eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #126

as a Buddhist... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #108

Do you really think that folks who believe in gods and such are going to be convinced by... Walk away Jan 2013 #127

Not all believe tama Jan 2013 #133

What's on the inside is commonly called Biology. That's a science too. na Walk away Jan 2013 #135

Are you talking to Biology? nt tama Jan 2013 #136

You had me at the first point... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #129

What is the point of this? Riftaxe Jan 2013 #132

I'll tell you what's wrong with this cartoon. rug Jan 2013 #144

Is it a hoax when people (including the leadership) genuinely believe in the religion's concepts? Meshuga Jan 2013 #146

A hoax religion gives its clergy theocratic power, wealth and domain. SarahM32 Jan 2013 #147

Greek Orthodox tama Jan 2013 #149

as if humans needed his help to have conflict or division. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #153

You miss the point. He merely foresaw the conflict and division. SarahM32 Jan 2013 #163

considering how those things ALREADY ALWAYS HAPPEN, ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #164

When I partake of the Body of my Lord formercia Jan 2013 #151

Don't like religion much do you? hrmjustin Jan 2013 #155

Slaves never celebrate their chains like that of the religious Taverner Jan 2013 #156

Ok Well we all have our views. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #168

Don't like reality much do you? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #160

I did not mean it as an insult. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #167

Very simple answer to this threads question... 0zone Jan 2013 #165

It seems that simple, doesn't it? But cognitive dissonance coupled with years of brainwashing... cleanhippie Feb 2013 #171

Man has, and still does, worship many different gods 0zone Feb 2013 #179

Maybe if they have to rely consistently on mocking others and constant ad hominems to humblebum Feb 2013 #173

I'm not sure you understand what "ad hominem" means Act_of_Reparation Feb 2013 #175

Oh I think I do. humblebum Feb 2013 #176

Evidently not Act_of_Reparation Feb 2013 #180

Years of experience with cleanhippie and company. humblebum Feb 2013 #181

I worship trees . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #177

You are my fellow traveler. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #182

Yes, another_liberal Apr 2013 #190

And I've never seen a tree pass around a collection plate... AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #191

Our simian ancestors found food and shelter in trees, hence they elicit that response. The actual dimbear Apr 2013 #193

Fascinating theory. another_liberal Apr 2013 #194

Thought provoking! vrp Feb 2013 #178

If someone is terribly upset or emotionally hurt, ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #183

Only... gcomeau Apr 2013 #184

Do you think praying to Thor would make you feel better during hard times? ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #185

If you believed in Thor it would. gcomeau Apr 2013 #186

A logical answer to an illogical question. Apophis Apr 2013 #187

"False" is not the same as "hoax" - most religions are propagated by people who believe them. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #189

Promote or found? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #192