Religion
In reply to the discussion: "Atheism: A personal relationship with reality." [View all]humblebum
(5,881 posts)is your absolute claim that nothing can be considered in a supernatural framework, which is ridiculous. Your attitude that "I cannot understand it, I don't believe it, therefore, it is crap" mentality is about as narrow and limited as any reasoning can possibly be.
Never did I claim any objective evidence or proof of deity. However, history is replete episodes of people witnessing events they considered to be very supernatural in nature - individuals and groups of people alike. Many of these are not able to be explained by Science. And, in fact, Science does not have the capacity by its own self-imposed restrictions to neutrally evaluate such things, given their nature.
The subject you are attempting to debate is a very broad one. In any case, to those who have experienced, observed, or witnessed such events there is ample subjective evidence. Often such people really do not care if they are believed or not, and quite often they not believed. There is no objective empirical evidence available, but to those who have experienced such things, or observed such things - they are very real. Yes, in such cases there is/was indeed evidence, but not objective by any means, but very subjective to those to whom such things occur.
In any case, a religious argument can never be won, and if you want to keep pounding away at claiming that objective, empirical evidence is the only type of evidence, then there are others who know better, regardless of your in-the-box mentality.
Your desire to slam religious believers seems to be overriding any sense logical and civil debate. There is nothing wrong with utilizing logical empirical methodologies, but to say that such defines the limitations of human experiences and that everything must conform to such a "framework" is absolutely ridiculous.