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69. You truly don't see the fallacy, do you?

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:35 PM

Jan 2012

The argument is that "life" could not have evolved without a "fine tuning" of the physical constants of the universe. And yet it requires a conscious entity, capable of deliberate action and of affecting the physical world to do the "tuning". If that's not "life", assumed to precede the need for "fine tuning", then what is it? If whatever "god" supposedly did the fine tuning could come into being before that fine tuning took place, then why couldn't life of a variety of other types? Maybe not exactly like what we see now, but something that would easily qualify. The type of matter and life we see may be just what fell out. Principle of Necessary Improbability.

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You truly don't see the fallacy, do you? skepticscott Jan 2012 #69

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right on Tama! nt Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #80

You're the one who offered up the fine-tuning argument skepticscott Jan 2012 #86

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