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tama

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74. Where have I claimed

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:56 PM

Jan 2012

that anthropic principle is a proof of an ID God-tuner? I'm just pointing to the deeper fallacy of using anthropic principle as a weapon for either side of the theist-atheist debate.

It is scientifically and philosophically interesting example of the codependencies and symmetries that science is facing in search of the final theory. The fallacy of using it as a weapon in the STUPID theist-atheist debate is staying fixated on this STUPIDITY instead of learning more and thinking better, also about the meaning of the the anthropic principle. There is a whole world outside the STUPID debate of blame gaming, quilt tripping, etc. between the two camps. Camps that are also very good examples of codependency and symmetry, I might add.

PS: where is the nearest, according to you required, "conscious entity" you can find?

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