Catholic "criminals"

[BainsBane]

51. again, I'm speaking historically

I'm a historian. I'm talking about centuries of the Catholic church, particularly in Latin America. Imagine if you were a gay man or woman in the 17th century. What would you do? Everyone had to marry, especially women. If you were a Lesbian or gay man who did not want to marry, the convent or a monastery were your only options. Otherwise they married. Women of a certain class had no options in life but marrying or going to a convent. (Poor women had no options). If you were a woman who wanted to be a scholar, like Sister Juana Inez de la Cruz, the convent was the only place that was possible, incredibly difficult but possible. Sor Juana may also have been gay and in a relationship with the wife of the Viceroy of New Spain, but one can't know for sure.

Your assertion that they stayed Catholic because they were not gay is simply factually false. Those are not options people had historically. As you well know, bigotry against gays has been far too intense for many people to come out until recent decades.

"there's no way to be Catholic and gay without being compromised." I don't know what you mean by compromised. I don't know what pure gay vs. compromised gay is. I didn't realize there were hierarchies of gay people. I suggest you read Andrew Sullivan because he is both gay and Catholic. I am not. Since it's something you appear to care so much about, I would think you would bother to read a bit up on it. You might learn something about the difference between everyday religiosity and the church hierarchy. On the other hand if you just want to hate people, then it doesn't really matter.