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SheilaT

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12. I would have more confidence in the change from within

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:13 PM

Feb 2013

if I had seen any signs of it in the last fifty years. Certainly, we can disagree about this. I am under the impression that our soon to be retired Pope has said in effect that Vatican II went too far. It's clear that the hierarchy of the Catholic Church remains conservative to the point of being reactionary. They absolutely refuse to consider women as real people, think that celibate old men (too many of whom have been practicing pedophiles) can tell everyone else exactly how to live their lives.

There comes a time when beating one's head against the wall should cease. It does not hurt the wall at all. But the head, now that's a different story.

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The best choice for pope? A nun. [View all] cbayer Feb 2013 OP

Interesting idea. goldent Feb 2013 #1

I think you are right that it's got no chance of happening. cbayer Feb 2013 #5

The Pope can even be a lay person ............. Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #15

But he has to be made a bishop before becoming Pope muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #23

Yes. Executive Director of Nuns on the Bus organization ... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #2

She'd be my first choice. cbayer Feb 2013 #4

So I guess this means skepticscott Feb 2013 #3

Ummm, I wouldn't be the least bit SheilaT Feb 2013 #6

He realizes that it is just his fantasy at this point, but makes a great case cbayer Feb 2013 #7

The problem, in my very humble opinion, SheilaT Feb 2013 #8

Well, I disagree with you pretty completely there. cbayer Feb 2013 #9

You keep showing that warm and fuzzy picture skepticscott Feb 2013 #11

I would have more confidence in the change from within SheilaT Feb 2013 #12

I heard an interesting analysis yesterday that noted what a profound change it is that cbayer Feb 2013 #13

"Profound change" based on what? skepticscott Feb 2013 #14

Care to name some organizations that have been changed from the inside that became better?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #16

Really? You are not aware of a single one? cbayer Feb 2013 #17

You made the statement that they needed to stay so they could change it from the inside Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #18

Well, they had policies about women and GLBT that have been changed, to start with. cbayer Feb 2013 #19

From what I have read about the Church they have for the most part been in front of the curve Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #20

I wrote another post on this, but you may not have seen it. cbayer Feb 2013 #21

To follow your own drummer is the only true path Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #22

Technically, it's not unprecedented, but it has been hundreds of years. cbayer Feb 2013 #24

You hold the true path inside of you become one with the universe Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #25

Stepping outside the religious arena okasha Feb 2013 #33

No kidding, and just about every other organization out there. cbayer Feb 2013 #34

Here's the two big issues I see with the example: ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #39

Well, I guess we can split hairs on the internal structure and the mechanism/routes used cbayer Feb 2013 #41

Thank you...and no need to be humble about it skepticscott Feb 2013 #10

I agree with you completely ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #38

To answer your question, Papessa, which see. n/t dimbear Feb 2013 #26

it does muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #32

I think saying an organization like the RRC cannot have change from within goldent Feb 2013 #35

Or, Bill Maher Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #27

Well, he would definitely carry on the misogynistic history. cbayer Feb 2013 #28

True Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #30

Why not just end it all Politicalboi Feb 2013 #29

Lol, like church suicide? cbayer Feb 2013 #42

Obviously, I can't say what current practices are, however, that the pope be male... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #31

Keep in mind that it has been less than 100 years goldent Feb 2013 #36

Doesn't matter to me, I'm not belonging to any organization that doesn't treat women as equals now ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #37

That's ok with me. Thank God we have a choice. goldent Feb 2013 #47

But it's a uniquely self-sustaining system of groupthink muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #40

Radical change has occurred before. okasha Feb 2013 #44

And look at how recent popes have worked to undo those radical changes.... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #45

In the world of governance and politics goldent Feb 2013 #46

Look at contraception muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #48

Exactly. If you take leaving off the table, you have no way to force change. ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #49

I remember that scene and had no idea they went to that extreme to make sure cbayer Feb 2013 #43