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In reply to the discussion: Concepts of God and Religion [View all]

SarahM32

(270 posts)
53. In response to the critics and skeptics:
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:39 PM
Feb 2013

Critics and skeptics certainly have the right to criticize, and to try to refute. But that’s not really what a few if them are doing on this thread.

They misrepresent what I have written, and what the message I promote says.

The biggest example of that is in the constant insistence that I belong to a cult, that the message I promote is recruiting members to a cult, and that said “cult” has a leader.

That is not true, and such uninformed accusations and claims merely reveal that those who make them do not understand the message, or the mission of its author.

The author of the message has never been, is not, and never will be, a leader.

The “Coalition” has no organization, no leadership. Members of the Coalition do not know who the author is, and they do not know who any other members are (although I know OF about a dozen or so who also promote the message on different Internet discussion forums). And the author of the message will probably die before the message is widely recognized and accepted. (If you read his bio you will see he has been gradually dying from congestive heart failure for quite some time.)

I promote the message, and try to endure the critics and skeptics, because I believe the message is the best attempt at Interfaith understanding and cooperation, which is so badly needed in this world so plagued by “holy wars.”

I also believe it offers a very good suggestion (in The 21st Century Declaration of Independence) as to why and how we should alter and reform our government so that it becomes actually of the people, by the people, and for the people, rather than of, by, and for the wealthiest few. (And that would fulfill the many of the world prophecies that speak of the meek inheriting the earth, establishing justice, making peace, transforming “swords into plowshares,” etc.)

As for wisdom, I like the quote from Plato: “Although I am not myself wise, I am a bit better off than that fellow -- because I do not think I am wise when I am not.”

That is rather like what the great Solomon, who was widely known for his wisdom, said: “Trust not in your own understanding, but trust in the Lord with all your heart.”

And here’s something else about wisdom, quoted from Wisdom:

In the Book of Wisdom, Solomon wrote: "Wisdom is beneficent and kind. She is the aura of the power of God, the radiance of the eternal Divine Light, a spotless mirror of God. She renews all things, and passing into holy souls from age to age, She produces friends of God and prophets. She is firm, but Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all Her paths are peace. She is a Tree of Life to them that lay hold upon Her. And Wisdom is far better than weapons of war."

Notice that real Wisdom produces prophets, and She is firm but Her paths are peace. Most human beings get flashes of Wisdom occasionally, but few "lay hold upon Her." A precious few do, though, and throughout history those who did are called sages, prophets, buddhas, avatars, siddhas, christs, etc.

The spiritually anointed son of man and prophet called Jesus of Nazareth understood the book of Wisdom. That’s why he advised us to not live by the sword. It’s why he was very firm in rebuking greedy rich people, money lenders, religious hypocrites and other wrong doers, and yet on the other hand he advised people to be peaceful, forgiving and compassionate, turn the other cheek, and love even their enemies. Many preceding prophets were similar in that respect, and the modern son of man follows those precedents.


You may like that and agree with it or not. It's up to you, and you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe. But so do I.

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Concepts of God and Religion [View all] SarahM32 Feb 2013 OP
Insulting and pathetic. trotsky Feb 2013 #1
I like most of this. Do you have some sources for the Einstein quotes? patrice Feb 2013 #2
Not for those, but I know a good one. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #7
I have tried to say the same thing WAAAAY less elegantly, and with way more words, here on DU. patrice Feb 2013 #9
You're welcome. And thank you! SarahM32 Feb 2013 #10
And what exactly do rationalists skepticscott Feb 2013 #13
I don't feel a need to prove anything to you. I'm tired & need to go look for work so here's a riff: patrice Feb 2013 #14
In other words skepticscott Feb 2013 #15
No, it's a general observation of the state of discourse on the topic, not an analysis, and words patrice Feb 2013 #16
Well said. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #32
Thank you, SarahM32, it's not easy sticking my head up like this and at least trying to do patrice Feb 2013 #35
When you get the OP skepticscott Feb 2013 #46
Agree about how one decides what's, more or less, true. But it's not my job to "get" OP or you patrice Feb 2013 #48
If it's not "your job" skepticscott Feb 2013 #49
CHOOSE that or don't. Let others do the same. None of that means anyone should not stand patrice Feb 2013 #51
I've posted many times here skepticscott Feb 2013 #52
Here's a source for, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Jim__ Feb 2013 #11
Thank you very much for that, Jim, I especially like this: patrice Feb 2013 #12
interesting read madrchsod Feb 2013 #3
Thank you. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #8
Well, it would help if the site had the correct translation of the Tetragamaton intaglio Feb 2013 #4
Word Salad. mr blur Feb 2013 #5
It's "Joseph Adamson" - what can you expect? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #6
Really? SarahM32 Feb 2013 #17
"the realization of the divine reality" trotsky Feb 2013 #18
No. That's your assumption, and it couldn't be more wrong. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #19
The author is a fundie. trotsky Feb 2013 #20
No, the author is not a fundamentalist. The message makes that abundantly clear. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #21
Yeah, he is. trotsky Feb 2013 #22
Again, I should correct you. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #23
So how is saying skepticscott Feb 2013 #24
Well you'd like to, but you can't, because the facts are on my side. trotsky Feb 2013 #25
i don't think he's a fundie. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #27
Not a fundie, nor a cult leader. Quite the opposite. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #29
Oh, like a...Pope? mr blur Feb 2013 #61
"...to empower them so that they may truly be free and independent." trotsky Feb 2013 #67
Do you subscribe to his "teachings"? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #78
Here's some questions for you. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #94
Allow me to try again, perhaps I wasn't clear. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #96
To answer your question ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #99
Ok. Good luck. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #105
You mean skepticscott Feb 2013 #108
"not the god of Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and other fundamentalists, but the real God..." mr blur Feb 2013 #60
God SarahM32 Feb 2013 #100
This is just even more feel-good, meaningless Woo-drivel! mr blur Feb 2013 #115
I hate posts like this that get basic facts wrong or make erroneous assumptions... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #26
yeah the guy seems like an other-ways-of-know-it-all Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #28
Well, you're right a couple of things, but as for the rest ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #30
You said... Meshuga Feb 2013 #38
Okay. I'll do that. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #40
Again, it's all about connecting the dots closely and not unlike... Meshuga Feb 2013 #56
It's easy. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #101
I am not sure how to respond Meshuga Feb 2013 #107
Considering the anachronistic nature of so many religious texts, to think prophecy... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #57
Not again ... intaglio Feb 2013 #31
Not again. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #33
OK, so what is "Truth"? intaglio Feb 2013 #34
Hmmm ... Well, okay. I'll answer that. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #36
Please read what you have written intaglio Feb 2013 #37
Bravo! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #39
Truth is in the eye of the beholder. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #41
What is truth? Now you pretend that truth is relative to the observer intaglio Feb 2013 #42
Oh my. I am amazed. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #43
Yeppers, now we're back to the skepticscott Feb 2013 #44
Yes you do have to define "a truth" if you are going to spout about it intaglio Feb 2013 #47
Now that's funny. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #54
Just curious skepticscott Feb 2013 #64
"It's the man who fulfills prophecies by declaring it" mr blur Feb 2013 #63
double that..+100 skepticscott Feb 2013 #45
Nice thread, All! Bookmarking & I promise to explore later. MUST get on the treadmill now & patrice Feb 2013 #50
In response to the critics and skeptics: SarahM32 Feb 2013 #53
Let's look at the evidence intaglio Feb 2013 #55
Well done skepticscott Feb 2013 #58
Brilliant post. trotsky Feb 2013 #66
That's not "evidence." Let's look at Intaglio's deception. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #69
The way you keep repeating the phrase skepticscott Feb 2013 #59
You could go on Oprah! mr blur Feb 2013 #62
In response to the critics and skeptics, part 2 SarahM32 Feb 2013 #65
I counted 11 uses skepticscott Feb 2013 #68
You don't understand my motivation. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #70
"How can an All Faiths Coalition be a cult?" How can a Unification Church be a cult? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #76
Thanks, beat me to it skepticscott Feb 2013 #82
"As the messenger says, it's the message that's important, not the messenger." cleanhippie Feb 2013 #80
You deceiver, I do not even think you are a self deceiver intaglio Feb 2013 #71
Here we go again. Okay, if you insist on putting us both through this ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #77
Sorry, the world does not revolve round you and your petty cult intaglio Feb 2013 #83
Just a couple of points ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #85
Why not call your cult "The Redefinition Project"? intaglio Feb 2013 #89
To correct you (Intaglio) about Proverbs and Isaiah SarahM32 Feb 2013 #97
More deceit intaglio Feb 2013 #104
I'm not going to let you get away with that. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #109
Not one fragment of text or archaeloogy supports the existence of Solomon intaglio Feb 2013 #112
To answer your question ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #116
I made no claims about the Messianic prophecies intaglio Feb 2013 #122
And I answered your question. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #128
You provided a content free generalisation intaglio Feb 2013 #132
I'm sorry your fundie cult isn't taking off like you had hoped. trotsky Feb 2013 #72
Very insightful, indeed nonoyes Feb 2013 #73
There you go again. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #74
Yup, there I go again... trotsky Feb 2013 #75
With absolutely nothing to back it up. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #79
Nothing but that, and of course your incessant referral to "the message." Yes, cultish, indeed. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #81
False assumptions and accusations were predicted, and are according to prophecies. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #84
Wow, I was wrong skepticscott Feb 2013 #86
So ,the dude you're following is the current Son of Man? Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #87
I follow no man, but the son of man is the author of the message I promote. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #88
Your prophet is a man intaglio Feb 2013 #90
You fail to understand the author's mission. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #91
You fail to understand the nature of cults intaglio Feb 2013 #92
You didn't answer my questions. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #93
They are his "suggestions" intaglio Feb 2013 #95
Here we go again. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #98
More lies intaglio Feb 2013 #111
Well, we'll see about that. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #117
Your errors are laughable intaglio Feb 2013 #123
You would think so, but it's not so. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #129
No, most people would call what you emit "sophistry" which defined is intaglio Feb 2013 #134
Perhaps this will help. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #136
And you call me blind? intaglio Feb 2013 #138
Jesus saw the internet coming? And you know this, how? mr blur Feb 2013 #124
Good grief. gcomeau Feb 2013 #102
That's an understandable reaction. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #103
Actually... gcomeau Feb 2013 #106
Whatever floats your boat. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #110
It's not experiences that people find themselves skepticscott Feb 2013 #114
Not even that, it's like the sort of stuff L Ron Hubbard manufactured intaglio Feb 2013 #113
No, it's not. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #118
How can something that calls itself a "Church" skepticscott Feb 2013 #119
No, that's not accurate. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #120
You mean like skepticscott Feb 2013 #121
The definition of a cult proves my case. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #125
Too funny skepticscott Feb 2013 #127
So, you just ignore the facts? Okay, but at least say you ignored them. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #130
Except that you offered no "facts" skepticscott Feb 2013 #135
The definition of cult proves our case intaglio Feb 2013 #139
Your goal (and Adamson's) is/was to post his message, everywhere, right? Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #126
No. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #131
Not to post his message but to spread the word about his message - ok Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #133
To answer your question ... SarahM32 Feb 2013 #137
You have had valid and legitimate criticism intaglio Feb 2013 #140
MY FINAL RESPONSE ADDRESSING CRITICISM AND SKEPTICISM SarahM32 Feb 2013 #141
Promises, promises skepticscott Feb 2013 #142
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