Religion

muriel_volestrangler

(106,214 posts)

40. But it's a uniquely self-sustaining system of groupthink

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:49 AM

Feb 2013

The cardinals under 80 appoint the Pope; the Pope then appoints the new cardinals.

The current Pope says it's impossible for the church to ordain women:

The church has 'no authority' to ordain women. The point is not that we are saying we don't want to, but that we can't

http://ncronline.org/news/women-religious/pope-has-no-authority-ordain-women

The previous pope said it too.

Every single cardinal eligible to vote for the next pope was appointed either by one of those 2 popes. Saying "it will happen when it happens" is really no use. A useful thing would be to say "I'm leaving the RCC until those in charge fix it, by: ordaining women, dropping their opposition to contraception, dropping their homophobia, stopping the cover-up of pedophilia ...".

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

49 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

The best choice for pope? A nun. [View all] cbayer Feb 2013 OP

Interesting idea. goldent Feb 2013 #1

I think you are right that it's got no chance of happening. cbayer Feb 2013 #5

The Pope can even be a lay person ............. Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #15

But he has to be made a bishop before becoming Pope muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #23

Yes. Executive Director of Nuns on the Bus organization ... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #2

She'd be my first choice. cbayer Feb 2013 #4

So I guess this means skepticscott Feb 2013 #3

Ummm, I wouldn't be the least bit SheilaT Feb 2013 #6

He realizes that it is just his fantasy at this point, but makes a great case cbayer Feb 2013 #7

The problem, in my very humble opinion, SheilaT Feb 2013 #8

Well, I disagree with you pretty completely there. cbayer Feb 2013 #9

You keep showing that warm and fuzzy picture skepticscott Feb 2013 #11

I would have more confidence in the change from within SheilaT Feb 2013 #12

I heard an interesting analysis yesterday that noted what a profound change it is that cbayer Feb 2013 #13

"Profound change" based on what? skepticscott Feb 2013 #14

Care to name some organizations that have been changed from the inside that became better?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #16

Really? You are not aware of a single one? cbayer Feb 2013 #17

You made the statement that they needed to stay so they could change it from the inside Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #18

Well, they had policies about women and GLBT that have been changed, to start with. cbayer Feb 2013 #19

From what I have read about the Church they have for the most part been in front of the curve Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #20

I wrote another post on this, but you may not have seen it. cbayer Feb 2013 #21

To follow your own drummer is the only true path Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #22

Technically, it's not unprecedented, but it has been hundreds of years. cbayer Feb 2013 #24

You hold the true path inside of you become one with the universe Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #25

Stepping outside the religious arena okasha Feb 2013 #33

No kidding, and just about every other organization out there. cbayer Feb 2013 #34

Here's the two big issues I see with the example: ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #39

Well, I guess we can split hairs on the internal structure and the mechanism/routes used cbayer Feb 2013 #41

Thank you...and no need to be humble about it skepticscott Feb 2013 #10

I agree with you completely ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #38

To answer your question, Papessa, which see. n/t dimbear Feb 2013 #26

it does muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #32

I think saying an organization like the RRC cannot have change from within goldent Feb 2013 #35

Or, Bill Maher Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #27

Well, he would definitely carry on the misogynistic history. cbayer Feb 2013 #28

True Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #30

Why not just end it all Politicalboi Feb 2013 #29

Lol, like church suicide? cbayer Feb 2013 #42

Obviously, I can't say what current practices are, however, that the pope be male... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #31

Keep in mind that it has been less than 100 years goldent Feb 2013 #36

Doesn't matter to me, I'm not belonging to any organization that doesn't treat women as equals now ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #37

That's ok with me. Thank God we have a choice. goldent Feb 2013 #47

But it's a uniquely self-sustaining system of groupthink muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #40

Radical change has occurred before. okasha Feb 2013 #44

And look at how recent popes have worked to undo those radical changes.... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #45

In the world of governance and politics goldent Feb 2013 #46

Look at contraception muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #48

Exactly. If you take leaving off the table, you have no way to force change. ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #49

I remember that scene and had no idea they went to that extreme to make sure cbayer Feb 2013 #43